#dev 2022-03-04

2022-03-04 UTC
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[tantek] looks like I have a use-case for adding .dev to my autolinker
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@edropple ↩️ I haven't even figured out how I handle RSS in this sort of environment, let alone things like pingbacks/webmentions. (You know, the stuff that makes a blog a blog, and not an intermittently updated website?) (twitter.com/_/status/1499615998894383104)
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[tantek] ^ this is a good example of why it's important to actually have explicit "levels" to talk about this stuff
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[tantek] you can have an IndieWeb site that is an "intermittently updated website" and still be on the IndieWeb
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[tantek] however there is something more about having a *blog* and that should be recognized
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[tantek] "handling" things like "RSS" or "pingbacks/webmentions" may be one way to make that distinction, but I’d prefer a UX-centric way of "evaluating" a site/blog
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[tantek] on a different somewhat dev-related topic, do we have some place where we discuss displaying absolute vs relative dates and times?
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[tantek] and what those mean?
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[tantek] e.g. this post / page: https://maggieappleton.com/interoperable-libraries
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sknebel what is relative dates?
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Loqi relative dates are a way of converting date-times into a human friendly form like "10 minutes ago" or "4 days ago" https://indieweb.org/relative_dates
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[tantek] thanks sknebel!
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[tantek] that post/page says "Planted 3 days ago" which I found annoying for wanting to get the absolute date in order to cite it. so I viewed source and looked for 2022-
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[tantek] and found: "startDate":"2022-02-20","updated":"2022-02-26"
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[tantek] now today is March 4th
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[tantek] and 3 days ago would be March 1st
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[tantek] so neither the "startDate" nor the "updated" reflects the "Planted 3 days ago" so WTF does that user visible relative date mean?!?
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[tantek] if anything I would have thought "Planted ... ago" would refer to the *startDate*, otherwise what does "Planted" even mean in this metaphor?
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[tantek] if they’re going with a gardening metaphor, then perhaps the updated date could be some form of "Watered ... ago" or "Tended to ... ago", or if it was strictly deletionary edit, "Pruned ... ago"
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[tantek] this kind of thing makes me not trust "relative dates"
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[KevinMarks] They're a bit of a workaround for timezone issues, but if you render them server side then you make archiving worse and generate spurious deltas for etag /if modified since
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[tantek] search engines are so broken. I searched (both Google and DDG) for "relative dates indieweb" without quotes and it did show me results from indieweb.org but NOT the https://indieweb.org/relative_dates page which has been around since 2016. I remember when you could search for stuff like that and it was the first result
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[tantek] relative dates << Criticism / warning: if you render relative dates server side then you make [[archival_copy|archiving]] worse and generate spurious deltas for etag /if modified since.
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism / warning: if you render relative dates server side then you make [[archival_copy|archiving]] worse and generate spurious deltas for etag /if modified since." to a new "See Also" section of /relative_dates https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79916&oldid=29462
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sknebel to be fair it has only one inbound link
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sknebel from other wiki pages
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[tantek] good catch
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capjamesg[d] IndieWeb Search didn’t find it.
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capjamesg[d] But the crawl was capped which is probably why.
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[tantek] what is how to display a post
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "how to display a post" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "how to display a post is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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