#dev 2022-03-20
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Okay. One last time. I probably won't stream for long (like an hour or so). Pull up if you wanna hear me smack on a keyboard and wrangle Rust for Webmentions. http://jacky.wtf/twitch (https://jacky.wtf/2022/3/WG/WGyhNdH8e6E6TGAaRBBGfLVD) (twitter.com/_/status/1505370839767781377)
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@hagengraf Understanding and discussing the magic of #indieweb -> #webmention with @pfefferle and Marko. For me it’s more and more clear that this feature should be in #wordpress core.
https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/35435
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# @hagengraf ↩️ #webmention s can be used as a free tool (!) to gather feedback from social media platforms (#twitter, #instagram,… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505491991542513671 (twitter.com/_/status/1505491991542513671)
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# @hagengraf ↩️ This is a webmention test:
1. In this tweet I link to an older article on my blog
https://hagen.cocoate.com/2022/01/21/webmention-test/
2. My bl… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505506166050377730 (twitter.com/_/status/1505506166050377730)
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# @hagengraf ↩️ Now #UX
We want to change the existing settings page of #webmention #WordPress plugin (left).
Carolina and @JasonRouet are working on that (right)
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Loqi Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) is an open messaging standard, perhaps best known in its use for cross-platform instant-messaging application interoperability https://indieweb.org/XMPP
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jacky https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0163.html is something I can see that I can backfeed to my h-card
# jacky there's even this https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html to have your current location shown
# jacky lol there's https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0107.html for emulating AIM-like status
# jacky and even https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0108.html to show like indicator icons by one's h-card
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[schmarty] Is there a caniuse.com equivalent for XEPs? Last I toyed with it I found it extremely tough to figure out what servers and clients supported what
# [schmarty] (Or perhaps a Will It Blend? 🍹)
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petermolnar [schmarty]: not that I know of, and yes, that is a painful quest
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sknebel there are the yearly compliance suites, not sure theres a central tracker which bits fullfill those but I'd assume so https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0459.html
# petermolnar fyi movim has a chat only and an extended/microblogging mode
# petermolnar the self hosted one, that is
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[tantek] since I don't know, I took some guesses: https://indieweb.org/XMPP#IndieWeb_Examples
# [tantek] if y'all want to expand https://indieweb.org/XMPP#How_to_make_an_XMPP_identity with short steps (or links to articles with short steps), that would be great!
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# [tantek]1 in the old days, you used to be able to use any XMPP client as a reading/posting UI to Twitter
# [tantek]1 as in you would add Twitter as a contact, then all the posts from folks you follow would show up as IMs from that contact.
# [tantek]1 then IMing that contact would post your IM to your Twitter!
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# [tantek]1 I wonder if petermolnar or aaronpk would consider setting that up for themselves on their own site for note posting. I remember it was incredibly fast and convenient for Twitter reading/posting
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# [tantek]1 XMPP << Brainstorming: setup your own site’s XMPP support with an account you could follow that would act as a reader, sending you the notes from folks you follow, and also as publishing client, for posting notes to your site via IM (this is how Twitter XMPP support used to work).
# Loqi ok, I added "Brainstorming: setup your own site’s XMPP support with an account you could follow that would act as a reader, sending you the notes from folks you follow, and also as publishing client, for posting notes to your site via IM (this is how Twitter XMPP support used to work)." to the "See Also" section of /XMPP https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=80242&oldid=80241
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# @hagengraf Next challenge #Indieweb #WordPress #Webmention
While creating a link in a Gutenberg Paragraphs block it would be nice to add „meaning“ in the sense of what type is this mention.
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# [tantek]1 ^ hah is that your Kinds radiobuttons UI GWG?
# [tantek]1 cont'd re: XMPP: then of course your site would POSSE your IM posted notes to Twitter and you'd have recreated the ability to post to Twitter using XMPP!
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[pfefferle] [tantek] it is
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capjamesg[d] "well, for one, URL design is important - people tend to not implictly care about it until they need to share a link" jacky++
# capjamesg[d] It took me a long time to get URL design right on my site.
# capjamesg[d] (particularly the point about chopping off part of a URL and the new URL returning a valid page)
# capjamesg[d] I am still somewhat conflicted about my likes / notes having their collection name in the path.
# capjamesg[d] But after investigating how much work it wold take to make that change -- as well as thinking more about the actual difference -- I decided not to change anything.
# capjamesg[d] tantek we need a "Cool URIs don't change" shirt 😂
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# cambridgeport90[ I'm posting this one here because I know it's going to end up rather technical... in the process of creating my site under Drupal (loving the flexibility of it so far, but I'm still confused about a couple of things.) The first question I have... with the indieweb module present on a Drupal site, for those who prefer using something like Markdown instead of full HTML, particularly for long articles, is having the markdown editor
# cambridgeport90[ and markdown text formatter going to conflict with the microformats supported for each content type, and also, what is a publishing recommendation; I created an application a long time ago on Twitter so that things coming from my site would come from my app. I will use Bridgy for publishing on other places, but which module won't conflict with everything else so that I can use my Twitter API app as well as my short URL? I know
# cambridgeport90[ that hosted Bridgy supports neither of those. I want posts on social media to use my short domain to save space, as well as sort of a signature thing too, so to speak.
# cambridgeport90[ It sort of falls into the URL design topic that was on here yesterday.
# jacky regarding the markdown editor, I think one way to find that out is to try it out and see what the HTML looks like (could run it through https://php.microformats.io/)
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# jan6 01:27 <+[tantek]> do you have any citations that google pays any attention (surfaces it in any UI) to rel=alternate hreflang="..." links? or for that matter, to rel=alternate media=mobile ?
# jan6 01:28 <+[tantek]> (I've used the rel=alternate hreflang=... markup for translations of a few things here and there but never seen any docs from any service that says they do anything with it)
# jan6 was quite easy to find https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/crawling/localized-versions
# cambridgeport90[ <jacky> "regarding the markdown editor, I..." <- Thanks for those. I forgot about both, to be honest. Looks like I might end up hosting bridgy myself, then if I want to use the app I created. Then again, does that really matter? Part of my thought process is considering there's only one instance, if that goes down, POSSE doesn't work, right?
# cambridgeport90[ Another question... there is a place in the Drupal module to add other fields to the E-content class. Not sure which ones to add there... if any. Suggestions?
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# cambridgeport90[ I'm also still somewhat confused on the <div class>, <P class>, and <a class> tags. Coming from Wordpress where most of the HTML is handled for you (to my detrament now,I think), it's a lot to learn in a fairly short time... on the one hand, though, I can add HTML as one of my programming languages being currently learned; adding onto OOP PHP, C#, and PowerShell for the time being.
# petermolnar <p> is paragraph. Think if it as a block of text that you want people to read more or less with one breath. <a> is a hyperlink. <div> is to make things fancy.
# petermolnar as in layout and design
# petermolnar it doesn't have a semantic meaning
# cambridgeport90[ 'Oh wow. Those are native, right, not added by microformats?
# petermolnar when I was younger, this was one of my bibles: https://www.w3.org/TR/html401/ I think it's still a good document, but certain things are now superseeded.
# cambridgeport90[ Good to know... at least with what I have... paragraphs are handled automatically. Links are, too, but then how to override and add text to links. I'm more used to doing that in markdown as oppose to HTML. It's the anchor attribute, right?
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@MarcLittlemore ↩️ @JasonRouet @hagengraf @5t3ph @nhoizey @eleven_ty Thanks for sharing and I’m glad you like my webmentions. Really i… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505617114589188104 (twitter.com/_/status/1505617114589188104)
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# @hagengraf ↩️ rework of the #webmention settings page in #WordPress by @MoritzBappert Carolina and @JasonRouet
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# cambridgeport90[ That's what I was shooting for, yes. Doesthat do much of any thing for site visibility, or is just something extra and random? I can just as easily delete it if I can't find a use for it.
# [snarfed] it shows "[your app name]" under your tweet, but it's linked to https://help.twitter.com/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels , so the extra visibility is mild at best
# cambridgeport90[ And I don't intend to let anyone except for the folks in my group use it. We don't have the capacity to handle a zillion users on it,honestly. Part of it is also getting a feel for the Python hosting environment.
# cambridgeport90[ Interesting. Definitely on the agenda for stuff to get done. Right now, though is assisting to enhance the drupal Indieweb module to support more post types natively. All that while getting a feel for object oriented PHP at the same time.
# cambridgeport90[ And holy cow. Ten years? How do you manage that? My site has already ran PHP and I can't even do that.
# cambridgeport90[ Then again, it's been moved around a pile of times, so that could be part of that.
# [snarfed] cambridgeport90: thanks! https://snarfed.org/2022-01-08_happy-10th-birthday-bridgy
# [KevinMarks]1 so, if I want to bite the bullet and migrate my appengine 2.7 python apps to something equivalently serverless now, what should I use?
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# [KevinMarks]1 ah, OK. I was wondering about cloud functions or AWS lambdas, but if they have the good bits of callback functions and the datastore I may stay
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jamietanna https://arc.codes/ is good - it's what barryf uses for Vibrancy and I'm using it for a few things - handles easier AWS Lambda setup
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