#dev 2022-03-19

2022-03-19 UTC
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[KevinMarks] or baby names https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/web-designer-names-baby-hypertext-24321350
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[tw2113_Slack_] i mean, at least it’s easier to say than the names Grimes and Elon Musk give their kids
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[James_Van_Dyne] capjamesg: heads up that webmentions seem to be broken on your site (or mine?). I replied to your typography post and noticed that it failed. Submitting my post manually also resulted in an error.
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jacky ^ this is making me want to add multiple webmention endpoints to my site :)
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aaronpk TIL https://aaronparecki.com/2022/03/19/12/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] constructor.php
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prologic Heya all 👋
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sknebel what is Publii?
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Loqi Publii is a desktop static site builder CMS https://indieweb.org/Publii
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sknebel Publii << https://getpublii.com/blog/release-039.html gained plugin support - potential for IW integrations
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Loqi ok, I added "https://getpublii.com/blog/release-039.html gained plugin support - potential for IW integrations" to the "See Also" section of /Publii https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=80217&oldid=70584
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jacky got some thoughts on how to extend Webmention (for fetching and beyond, tbh) by copying a bit from Micropub https://github.com/indieweb/webmention-ecosystem/issues/2#issuecomment-1073034511
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jacky oh wow publli can publish to ipfs and hyper? that's cool
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sknebel although for a static system thats not much of a change
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jacky heh true
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sknebel (dont get me wrong, still useful to see supported explicitly)
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jacky yeah I could imagine it's something people asked for
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petermolnar publii getting plugin support is huge and great news
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sknebel you tried publii?
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sknebel now you mention it I seem to remember you looking at it for people you're helping with sites
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petermolnar I tried it, yes. I was barebones, but promising, with a gui, which is important imo.
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jacky I can imagine GUis being helpful for people
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jacky watching my partner use Wordpress is definitely influencing how I'm working on my site
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GWG jacky: What takeaways...?
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jacky well, for one, URL design is important - people tend to not implictly care about it until they need to share a link
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jacky (I'm still thinking about that)
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e-snail jacky, your /feed.xml looks broken
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jacky oof yup
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jacky thanks
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jacky I should have alerts for things like that lol
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jacky should be fixed now :)
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jacky thanks e-snail++
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jacky random: when it comes to syndication, does it make sense to emit those URLs as `rel=alternate` for the page?
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jacky like for example, if I syndicated a link to Twitter or something to GitHub?
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jacky the AP _kinda_ gets this for free because of the `application/activity+json` alternate value
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sknebel hm
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sknebel I guess my question why alternate over other markup we already use?
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sknebel ok, https://indieweb.org/u-syndication doesnt recommend using a rel at all anymore, only an mf2 property on the post
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jacky gotcha
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jacky that's enough for me tbh
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@JasonRouet Awesome team for an awesome project: #IndieWeb + #WordPress lead by @pfefferle. The challenge? Thinking how to make the #Webmention plugin more visible and easy to set-up! #CloudFest #WFHACK #WFHACK2022 (twitter.com/_/status/1505271831384801286)
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[tantek] jacky, I wouldn't use rel=alternate on a link to something you don't control / own, or rather, something where another party (owner) could change the content arbitrarily. E.g. exceptions might be an IPFS copy of the page/post, or perhaps more useful/reliable, the internet archive snapshot of your post, but only if you're already linking to it for other (user-centric) reasons
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[tantek] of course the larger questions is for what use-case? as in, what consuming code would look for that rel=alternate and what UX would it present accordingly when it found such links?
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[tantek] so I suppose I wouldn't bother with adding rel=alternative unless you have a good idea that some other code would do something useful with it
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[tantek] rel=alternate* obv 🙂
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jan6 if it doesn't do anything, then it wouldn't exactly hurt, either
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jan6 but kinda pointless to have something that's never used, sure
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[tantek] nah, noise in code is a net negative
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[tantek] unless you're trying to hide other things among it
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jan6 but at what point does something become noise? like you can use alt-svc header to, among other uses, tell tor browser to transparently fetch the content from given onion address... but given most people don't care, or use tor browser, is that noise?
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[tantek] that sounds useful to at least some people
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jan6 so would a rel=alternate
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jan6 one of the quickest actual uses, seems to be linking localized/translated versions of a page in a way google can understand easily, for example (from some post in 2012)
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jan6 or separating mobile and desktop
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sknebel sure, thats an actual thing thats used
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sknebel vs using it for something new where theres already another convention for
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[tantek] do you have any citations that google pays any attention (surfaces it in any UI) to rel=alternate hreflang="..." links? or for that matter, to rel=alternate media=mobile ?
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Murray[d] https://links.alanwsmith.com/
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[tantek] (I've used the rel=alternate hreflang=... markup for translations of a few things here and there but never seen any docs from any service that says they do anything with it)
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[tantek] what happens when you have a protocol that gives two things the "highest" priority? https://twitter.com/SFFDPIO/status/1504921461437321217
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@SFFDPIO Fire engines 16 and 38 collided with each other at the intersection of Laguna and Lombard in San Francisco responding to a structure fire at this time there are no injuries the incident is under investigation expect traffic delays- PIO En route. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOKOF5nVkAA4fkh.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1504921461437321217)
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gRegor oops