#dev 2022-03-31

2022-03-31 UTC
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cambridgeport90[ My group uses Zapier to integrate Discord with StatusPage for one of our projects... surpirsingly, PowerAutomate doesn't support Discord. The fact that the former does makes me wonder whether they're more considerate of different platforms.
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cambridgeport90[ Then again, I wish the project used Matrix for chat... but that's another discussion.
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jacky aaronpk: regarding https://github.com/aaronpk/indieauth.rocks, I've seen that you've started on it! would you be re-using the same e-mail flow from https://micropub.rocks? If so, I want to see if I can try that out as a contribution
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Loqi [aaronpk] indieauth.rocks: IndieAuth test suite - in progress
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aaronpk yeah that would be my plan
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jacky gotcha
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jacky window.addEventListener('load', () => {})
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jacky angelo: ^
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jacky https://josephg.com/blog/crdts-go-brrr/
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jacky https://quilljs.com/docs/delta/
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jacky https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/load_event
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jacky https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document/DOMContentLoaded_event
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jacky angelo: I'm definitely going to be investigating how I can use Braid on my site
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jacky I tihnk what I also like about it is that it doesn't set a constraint on the kind of transform used
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jacky it can be OT or CRDT
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jacky like the most likely use-case I could see would be some 'advanced' form of comment display showing up across multiple sites in real-time
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jacky but the comment itself is updated over a CRDT so (creepily) one could see it change on the site as it happens
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@kellan @philgyford saw the post on Webmentions, is there any thinking about how one avoids the spam problems that killed off Trackbacks? (twitter.com/_/status/1509520908813225998)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ With webmentions, you should verify that the post does link to you, rather than just trusting the trackback. That gives you the option to implement blocklists and allowlists too. It then becomes the @ mention problem. (twitter.com/_/status/1509523320923852803)
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jeremycherfas I know I am out of my depth (again) but when I first got my M1 iMac I installed z4h to help with zsh. Now I think I want to switch to ohmyzsh completely. Is my best option to uninstall z4h and start from scratch with ohmyzsh and the parts of that I want?
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jacky that's precisely how I'd do it
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jacky to prevent any weird compat issues between the two
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jeremycherfas Thanks jacky++
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Loqi jacky has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (67 in all channels)
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jacky if you have your setup versioned, it makes it a bit easier to rebuild it up
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jacky otherwise keeping the old config in a scratch/temp file works too
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@philgyford ↩️ The Indieweb will really have hit the big time when the cr-pto spam tweeters start blogging and using webmentions too! (twitter.com/_/status/1509548511850901513)
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[tantek] um no ^
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[tantek] OTOH this is an interesting thread (for dev folks) https://twitter.com/bluesky/status/1509578372233322508
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@bluesky Technical advisors to the team include Martin Kleppmann (@martinkl), author of Designing Data-Intensive Applications, and @Whyrusleeping (Jeromy Johnson), lead engineer on @IPFS and @Filecoin. (twitter.com/_/status/1509578372233322508)
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[tantek] oops not that reply, this top post: https://twitter.com/bluesky/status/1509578367074328588
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@bluesky Excited to introduce our first hires and technical advisors! https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/2-31-2022-initial-bluesky-team (twitter.com/_/status/1509578367074328588)
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[tantek] Congrats to Paul Frazee in particular (IWC Austin participant) https://twitter.com/bluesky/status/1509578368735272982
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@bluesky Paul Frazee (@pfrazee) is a protocol engineer and full-stack web developer. Paul previously built Patchwork, the first application using the @securescuttleb1 distributed social protocol, and @BeakerBrowser, the first web browser for the @HypercoreProto distributed web protocol. (twitter.com/_/status/1509578368735272982)
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jacky I'm actually reading Martin's book on data
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jacky lots of excellent bits (esp without a compsci background)
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jacky (for me w/o a compsci background)
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angelo jacky real-time comment display is a neat feature on par with showing your own post as you post it. there's probably times when it makes more sense than others. it may be worth exploring a simpler solution that support this single-writer mode as it can probably be done without the automatic merging that is the crux (and the complexity) of the CRDT. that said, if you have a CRDT infrastructure
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angelo in place this would certainly be a freebie.
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jacky indeed, I think something like showing changes to a draft post as I edit it would be compelling (and allowing people to suggest edits to it as I do it)
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jacky that and for the 'live blogging' facet of things, I could post and edit older parts as I go and people can just watch :)
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jacky (that'd be great for live posting about a show)
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jacky or events
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[KevinMarks] Webmention.herokuapp.com updates the comment view client side as webmentions come in
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[tantek] what is realtime comments
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Loqi Realtime generally refers to a user experience where content is updated live; for example: a new comment shows up on a page while you're viewing it, or chat notification "your friend is typing a message." https://indieweb.org/realtime_comments
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[tantek] ^ bunch of examples in there
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[tantek] I'm curious if anyone has tried extracting the "realtime collaborative editing" pieces of Etherpad (ditch window chrome etc.) and hooking them up to an editing UI on their own site, to use in *any* context where you might edit text
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[tantek] I'd want to add a "read-only" default to said "collaborative editing" views, with some sort of token (IndieAuth sign-in, perhaps with an allowlist) for actual editing abilities
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jacky I'm not going to say IndieAuth won but ... https://github.com/owncast/owncast/issues/1273#issuecomment-1085069984
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jacky it def won out here lol
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[schmarty] haha, very nice!
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[tantek] whoa cool! what did it win vs.?
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