#dev 2022-03-30

2022-03-30 UTC
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@gvelez17 ↩️ do you mean WebMention? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1508959526514425859)
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[tantek] somewhat meta but more dev-related, since it's near the end of the month, consider if you have posts or other big things to submit for the monthly Redecentralize Digest: https://redecentralize.org/redigest/
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[tantek] I've braindumped / collected / organized some of the criticisms of "decentralize" as a term / framing here: https://indieweb.org/decentralized#Criticism and might actually put them into a more structured blog post if I can write it up before end of month
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[tantek] decentralize << Criticism: technical approaches result in business centralization anyway: https://twitter.com/tveastman/status/1054502286762770432
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@tveastman Hypothesis: every decentralised protocol you invent is simply an invitation for someone bigger than you to centralise it. - email: centralised by google. - git: centralised by github - basically the internet: centralised by Facebook - blockchains: centralised by early adopters (twitter.com/_/status/1054502286762770432)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: technical approaches result in business centralization anyway: https://twitter.com/tveastman/status/1054502286762770432" to the "See Also" section of /decentralized https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=80482&oldid=80481
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[snarfed] [tantek] [manton] I looked into granary's synthetic content logic a bit. if there's a p-summary, it includes both the summary, outside e-content, and also generates a synthetic e-content
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[snarfed] I take it you all would argue for omitting synthetic content instead when there's a p-summary?
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@joinmastodon ↩️ IndieWeb is a community of bloggers who use microformats and webmentions (technological evolution of pingbacks) for blog interactions (twitter.com/_/status/1509005401987194880)
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[snarfed] also, fwiw, granary generates p-summary HTML outside e-content. not sure if that changes any thoughts here, since e-content would then be empty if granary didn't generate a synthetic one
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[tantek] yes p-summary outside e-content is fine
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[tantek] accurate statement if a bit reductive from joinmastodon
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doosboox I help sysadmin a forum and we're having trouble sending emails to icloud and gmail. Not strange at all, because the email part of the server is woefully badly configured and missing things like MX record and DMARC. But I don't want to run an email server. I'd like to use some big actor's smtp instead. I've just never done that.
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doosboox It's a XenForo forum, and I tried these settings: https://lounge.warmedal.se/uploads/4fbb65bdb28f3e3b/image.png It just... doesn't work :(
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aaronpk That won't work with the google password, you'll have to make an app specific password for it
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aaronpk you might be better off with one of the email APIs tho, like Mailersend or Mailgun or such
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doosboox aaronpk: Hm. I'll have to search for how to make an app-specific password. What's Mailersend and Mailgun?
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aaronpk Services that send email for you
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doosboox I’ll check them out
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doosboox aaronpk: thanks, btw :D
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doosboox aaronpk+
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doosboox aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 34 karma in this channel over the last year (138 in all channels)
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doosboox there we go
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jacky vikasherher[m]: I just saw https://gitlab.com/maxburon/microformats-parser/-/issues/4
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jacky I'm about to reply to that ticket too but I can reply to that
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jacky I'm curious about the thread safety issue though
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@ChrisHardie ↩️ Also, looks like Bridgy could be helpful here, been meaning to try it out: https://brid.gy (twitter.com/_/status/1509189596344725510)
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jacky what is a key
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "key" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "key is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky grr
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jacky what is pgp
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Loqi OpenPGP (Pretty Good Privacy) is a message exchange format that uses public key cryptography to enable people to exchange encrypted and/or signed data; on the IndieWeb, you can use PGP to setup your IndieAuth without depending on any silos https://indieweb.org/pgp
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[tantek] anyone use Ubiquiti network devices/services? They’re apparently suing Krebs for uh, reporting on their security vulnerabilities: (thread) https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1508965090019577856
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@QuinnyPig So I've been a *mostly* happy @Ubiquiti customer, despite a few hiccups with their Cloud Key Gen 2+ model space heater. And a security breach. That I first found out about from @briankrebs. Against whom Ubiquiti has apparently just filed a lawsuit. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPDq8Z6UYAActwS.png (twitter.com/_/status/1508965090019577856)
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aaronpk oh dear
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sknebel that story is a mess
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sknebel If I read it right their main problem is that Krebs initially wrote about info from a "whistleblower" who later turned out to be the executive who did actually cause the problems?
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sknebel still, suing over that is just dumb
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[snarfed] Ubiquiti is mostly enterprise grade gear, ie mostly not this audience; they used to be really great, but they've sadly gone downhill significantly over the last 5y, in a few ways
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[tantek] Thanks snarfed good to know. Sounds out of scope for our wiki then
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jamietanna Re yesterday's Twitter chat, I use Granary to give me the original tweet, then embed it for /reply-context which also gives me an undeletable version as I cache it :D
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[tantek] ooh that's a good approach jamietanna++
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Loqi jamietanna has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (17 in all channels)
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[tantek] Can you add yourself and those implementation details for your reply-context to https://indieweb.org/reply-context-examples#Indieweb_Examples ?
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@edropple ↩️ worse: I'm even trying to implement webmentions! (twitter.com/_/status/1509283753947971589)
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[tantek] oh dear that thread 😂
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[tantek] perhaps we need better guides to what it means to "implement webmentions"?
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[tantek] i.e. what set of problems are you trying to solve (with webmentions)
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[aciccarello] So, I decided to move away from having the content type in my urls. It made sense when I was just posting on my blog and posting recipes but is too hard to consistently define as I start to add more post kinds.
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[aciccarello] I had /blog/YYYY/MM/DD/slug and /recipes/YYYY/MM/DD/slug. Then I added /photos/YYYY/MM/DD/slug but when I went to add notes I decided to just have them under /posts/YYYY/MM/DD/id. I'll probably move to a /posts/ prefix for new photos too.
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[aciccarello] I still have different content types stored in separate folders but I should be able to reorganize those without any URL changes now.
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[tantek] aciccarello welcome to the club (of abandoning post/content type in URLs). I feel like enough of us have made (or are making) this transition that its worth documenting as a well worn path as a warning to those to decide to start with URLs partitioned by post/content type
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[aciccarello] Yeah, I've looked at the /URL_design page many times which notes some of this. Still didn't completely understand till I started adding more kinds.
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cambridgeport90[ Ubiquiti is enterprise-grade, or simply more than your average and your me. (my network looks like a small business network.)
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[tantek] aciccarello if you can think of better / more clear ways we can document this learning and a warning, it would be great to add that
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[aciccarello] Yeah, I'm trying to think of how to communicate it differently. Aaronpk's experience is good. The "stable" reasoning in the FAQ is essentially what I was running into. I'll make an attempt at clarifying.
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jacky what are some services that provide APIs as a service but for like lay people/non-developers (in a way)?
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jacky I'm thinking of Superfeedr kinda
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jacky want to use their dashboard as a bit of a guiding scope for building Lighthouse
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[aciccarello] Like Zapier?
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jacky I could also try to keep this MVP as MVP-as-possible and grow from feature use tbh
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jacky oh excellent suggestion [aciccarello]!
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cambridgeport90[ What is lighthouse?
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Loqi Lighthouse is a Webmention, Microsub, and WebSub server built by Jacky Alciné to provide a means of handling engagement with other websites https://indieweb.org/Lighthouse
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jacky ah this is great esp because of the onboarding flow - wanted to figure that out too and having a suggestion of services to bridge to can help setup
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jacky heh I can use Steam in Zapier
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jacky I wonder if I can use Zapier to automate Micropub queries to my site
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jacky Oh no, it's a scraper it looks like
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[aciccarello] Zapier is almost like a more business focused IFTTT
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