#dev 2022-04-04

2022-04-04 UTC
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@novatrend_ch Aus unserem Blog: Was ist eine Webmention und wie nutze ich sie in WordPress? – NOVATREND Blog https://blog.novatrend.ch/2022/02/07/was-ist-eine-webmention-und-wie-nutze-ich-sie-in-wordpress/ ^hg (twitter.com/_/status/1510874906896084994)
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capjamesg[d] Another feed format.
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capjamesg[d] https://www.http-feeds.org/
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sknebel not for post feeds though
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epoch ..
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epoch only sending things newer than an event ID that might not be in the feed anymore.
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epoch seems kind of like just using a date would have been easier
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epoch I was also thinking If-Modified-Since header, but I figure http responses aren't supposed to be partial response of only the newer stuff because of that header.
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@pfefferle Schön war's :) #cfhack2022 #cloudfest #indieweb #wordpress #webmention https://notiz.blog/2022/04/03/cloudfest-2022-hackathon-indieweb-for-wordpress/ (twitter.com/_/status/1510911554618855431)
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[KevinMarks] there are ways to do partial updates with http but it's a bit messy https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Methods/PATCH
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capjamesg[d] What are the use cases for If-Match?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "use cases for If-Match" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "use cases for If-Match is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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capjamesg[d] Is it ever used for any feed work?
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capjamesg[d] Like polling comparisons?
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sknebel for that you rather want the opposite headers, If-None-Match
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sknebel "give the file only if I already know the file" is not that useful for feeds :D
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[KevinMarks] Yes, using etag and modified is strongly recommended. The python feedparser docs are good on this. https://pythonhosted.org/feedparser/http-etag.html
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[KevinMarks] This 20 year old advice is pretty good https://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2002/10/21/http_conditional_get_for_rss_hackers
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capjamesg[d] I did not know about if none match.
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capjamesg[d] That is really interesting.
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capjamesg[d] I need to send that header in my feed polling logic.
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capjamesg[d] What other headers are relevant excluding If None Match and Etag when it comes to feed polling?
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capjamesg[d] That conditional logic is really amazing.
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capjamesg[d] I learn something new about HTTP every day.
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@kevinmarks ↩️ one tool that may help https://brid.gy/about#publishing (twitter.com/_/status/1511004319876853765)
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capjamesg[d] Does Apache send etag by default?
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sknebel theres etag for content, and then the if-modified-since for time based
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[KevinMarks] yes, etag is sent by default - a hash is ideal, but for a single server I think apache builds it from on disc file info
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[KevinMarks] node by default will render the file and hash the result, and then compare that to the sent etag, so will work to do less wire traffic but still do server load
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[KevinMarks] If you're constructing the pages from a store, you can do it yourself - I do that in svgshare https://github.com/kevinmarks/svgurl/blob/9554f41f9d23d0275e706394a23537133217ee72/main.py#L259
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jacky interesting feature https://twitter.com/Kidfears99/status/1510716796940300299/photo/1
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@Kidfears99 This is absurd, @Twitter https://twitter.com/kidfears99/status/1510705406057885703 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPck61JXsAcJjC1.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1510716796940300299)
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[tantek] unfurl << oembed
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Loqi ok, I added "[[oEmbed]]" to the "See Also" section of /unfurl https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=80608&oldid=80606
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[tantek] what is autoblock
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "autoblock" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "autoblock is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is naming
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Loqi Naming is hard, yes, even, especially for a personal site since you have to pick both a name you like as a representation of yourself, and one that hasn’t been already taken, though sometimes you can ask nicely (or pay a lot) for domains that are registered but unused https://indieweb.org/naming
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[tantek] naming << 2019-08-09 [https://getpocket.com/explore/item/here-is-how-the-pentagon-comes-up-with-code-words-and-secret-project-nicknames Here Is How The Pentagon Comes Up With Code Words And Secret Project Nicknames] (originally published by "The War Zone", has some heuristics for naming)
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Loqi ok, I added "2019-08-09 [https://getpocket.com/explore/item/here-is-how-the-pentagon-comes-up-with-code-words-and-secret-project-nicknames Here Is How The Pentagon Comes Up With Code Words And Secret Project Nicknames] (originally published by "The War Zone", has some heuristics for naming)" to the "See Also" section of /naming https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=80609&oldid=79559
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@_adstew Got automated publishing set up :) Next is automated webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/1511122108994179076)