#dev 2022-05-02

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@thejuanlam This is a test of webmentions! Just trying to see if my post for Thor:Bridgekeeper pings. https://www.juanlam.com/games/Thor-Bridgekeeper/ (twitter.com/_/status/1520946985670430720)
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cambridgeport90[ Looks like I missed all of the interesting conversations from yesterday. Looks like there is progress rolling in...
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jeremycherfas Anyone who still uses twitter-atom.appspot.com, is there any way to get around the fact that Twitter seems to think Javascript is disabled, so it sends a truncated version of content as title, but not the content itself?
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AramZ-S[m] Hey, it sounds like some people have set up ActivityPub feeds from their blogs? I guess that would then be allowed to be subscribed to with a Mastodon instance? Is there a good guide to that?
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[tantek] what is bridgyfed
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Loqi Bridgy Fed connects IndieWeb sites with federated social networks like Mastodon and HubZilla https://indieweb.org/bridgyfed
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[tantek] ^ AramZ-S[m]
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jamietanna jeremycherfas I've been using granary.io for converting Twitter Lists to a feed, is that an option? Do I seem to remember correctly something from snarfed saying a while ago that twitter-atom was recommended over Granary?
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[tantek] I finally implemented at IndieWebCamp, literally the *top* thing on my "Working On" list (on /Falcon) that I had written up many months *before* this IndieWebCamp (and even the previous one), on 2021-10-20.
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[tantek] I think at all other IndieWebCamps, my Create Day projects were something I came up with that day or something from further down (roughly lower priority, i.e. not the first thing) in my "Working On" list.
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[tantek] also wrote more debugging / error-checking / tests code than actual "normal functionality" code, so I can catch more errors (or regressions) faster in the future. more productive Create Day than I expected (or have had recently)
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AramZ-S[m] Ah, thanks. I'll check that! I know a lot of the bridgy stuff does heavily lean into WordPress, and it looks like this one does as well, but I bet I can adapt to an SSG approach in one way or another.
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[tantek] AramZ-S[m] pretty sure BridgyFed has nothing WordPress specific
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GWG AramZ-S[m]: None of the Bridgy stuff is WordPress specific
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AramZ-S[m] Ok, good to know. I was just skimming and saw a bunch of WP stuff. It'll be interesting to see if this works as described with my dev site which is on GitHub Pages and t/f can't do header-based redirects which I see in this setup.
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AramZ-S[m] I know I'm intentionally making things harder for myself by using the least featured static site setup but I've been enjoying the challenge of how it forces me to find interesting new ways to handle things that otherwise I would have just relied on other people's stuff to do.
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[tantek] AramZ-S[m], we have various efforts to come up with static file alternatives to any functionality that appears to require HTTP headers
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petermolnar http 410 would like a word there
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petermolnar that is one of the rare ones I haven't found an alternative for
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[tantek] What is meta http status
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "meta http status" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "meta http status is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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petermolnar "proper" redirects & status codes are the reason for me having a 404.php
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[tantek] meta http status is /meta_http-equiv_status
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] what is meta http status
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Loqi meta http-equiv status is an HTML extension specification that adds the "Status" value to the existing meta element's http-equiv attribute as a method for representing the HTTP Status code https://indieweb.org/meta_http_status
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AramZ-S[m] Yeah, I actually discovered and started using http-equiv stuff when I found it on the wiki! And I see there is a section there for webmentions.
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petermolnar [tantek]: that is a great idea, now it just needs to become part h
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petermolnar of HTML
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petermolnar http-equiv is also not too friendly as far as I'm aware
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petermolnar one of the problems with tumblr and it's href.li links
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petermolnar that things like curl will not follow it
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[tantek] Thanks petermolnar. That's my goal too, and if we can develop enough published uses and consuming code examples, I can argue for it to be added to HTML
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AramZ-S[m] Yeah, Curl doesn't follow it, but it is pretty easy to leverage it in one's own scraper.
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[aciccarello] I just added support for deleted posts to my static site via meta http status last month.
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petermolnar I'll keep my php in the meanwhile :)
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AramZ-S[m] I have a link saving system on my static sites that includes a forwarding page in the process, so links and metadata about them can be preserved in the site and I can record passthroughs, but a click will send the user through a redirect page. Here's how it looks on my dev site if it helps - https://github.com/AramZS/devblog/blob/main/src/_layouts/fwd.njk
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[tantek] Right, the idea is that if we can implement this with various polyfills and wrappers around existing tools (like curl), we can demonstrate usefulness and interoperability, which will be enough to make it a standard
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[tantek] With enough publishing examples, we can push for Bridgy to add to its existing eg HTTP 410 support
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petermolnar I'd miss my regex based redirects though
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sknebel I thought GH pages had redirects, but must have confused it with one of the other static hosts
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jeremycherfas I think that is why I ended up using Twiotter-atom.
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jamietanna sknebel GH pages only has HTML redirects with `meta`, Netlify has proper 301/302 redirects
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AramZ-S[m] Yeah, for reasons unclear to me only GH Pages refuses to allow you to set any HTTP Headers.
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[tantek] yep meta http-equiv is your friend
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@slyduda very interested in webmentions right now, will probably play around with them a bit if i have some extra time this week #tech #xp (twitter.com/_/status/1521189894755921923)
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gRegor snarfed, Bridgy is showing "sending..." for some Twitter webmentions 14 hours ago. I can click the retry icon and they seem to go thru, just a heads up. https://brid.gy/twitter/gRegorLove
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gRegor logs for those have "duplicate task already propagated this" https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1651469504&key=agdicmlkLWd5cksLEghSZXNwb25zZSI9dGFnOnR3aXR0ZXIuY29tLDIwMTM6MTUxODgzODIwNzkyNzkxNDQ5N19mYXZvcml0ZWRfYnlfMTk3NDcyMQw
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