#dev 2022-05-27

2022-05-27 UTC
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[echo] amazing
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[fluffy] Even if the Wayback Machine already has it, it won’t necessarily be easy to track down where it lives on a site in terms of like the page index. obviously bad actors can and will store stuff they want to keep for later (as we see all the time on e.g. kiwifarms or 4chan) but there’s a difference between “hey if you saw this thing that maps to this UUID please delete it” and “hey here’s a thing I deleted that used to live a
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[fluffy] especially if the URL contains slug text or the like
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[fluffy] Post IDs are a bit of a middle ground between the two but generally if you have a post ID that can be turned into a URL it’s not much different than having the URL.
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[fluffy] like I think the wayback machine lets you do things like searching a domain for a URL with a post ID in it? I guess that’s easy enough to check
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[fluffy] Hm, not easily, but it’s still not that much of a stretch to request it for a list of all archived URLs and then searching for the post ID within it
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[fluffy] okay yeah actually its URL filter view makes it trivial
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[Chris_Lott] I am trying out using Apache and .htaccess to https://indieweb.org/own_your_links -- but using RedirectMatch to map the "rest" of a request. This works: `RedirectMatch 301 "/github(.*)" "https://github.com/fncll$1"` but with "Always use secure connections" enabled in Chrome I get an interstitial warning that the site isn't secure, though both are. Is there a way to avoid this?
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[CrowderSoup] [aaronpk] css really is magic, I just added simple.css to my website that was previously completely un-styled and it looks like a _real_ website now 😄
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> css++
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Loqi css has 1 karma over the last year
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> What is simple.css?
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> [CrowderSoup]
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[Murray] I imagine they're referring to: https://simplecss.org/
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[Murray] it's kinda like an opinionated CSS reset 😄 super useful (there seem to be a few knocking around these days)
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@bmann ↩️ I don’t think so. RSS is asynch & slow. Broadcast to consumer, one way channel. Riffing: Diffs between SisterSites. “Pin Bill’s version of HyperCard”, cross site backlinks, mini search index. Webmentions but likes, annotations, other verbs. Embed Wikipedia as leaf pages. (twitter.com/_/status/1530175397219799040)
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[CrowderSoup] [jamesg483] yes it’s the one pointed out by [Murray] 😄
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[CrowderSoup] It’s really good, as far as a basic set of css styles go. Trying to keep things really light and basic. Still no JavaScript on my website
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[fluffy] new.css is also nice
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[fluffy] https://newcss.net/ - very similar, and similar goals too.
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[tantek] discovers that the facetime-audio: scheme exists, and works!
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[aciccarello] Like for linking to facetime calling you from a webpage?
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[aciccarello] What's the identifier? Your apple ID?
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@OpenMentions Who else is using or testing #Webmention? Openmentions is built on Webmention. https://openmentions.com/topics/indieweb/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1530233588683259912)
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@lordmatt ↩️ Me. I'm using #Webmention. It's great. Every blogger should run it. Especially book bloggers and authors. (twitter.com/_/status/1530234168818425856)
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[Chris_Lott] I'm confused at what is new about these css stylesheets? Aren't they just, well, CSS as I presume most of us were/are using it, particularly when CSS was new?
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[tantek] aciccarello yes the identifier is your appleID email address
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[tantek] I've set it up on my /contact page if you want to see a live example 🙂
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[tantek] [Chris_Lott] what is new probably that fewer hacks/quirks are required these days rather than a decade or more ago 🙈
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[Chris_Lott] fair enough
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[aciccarello] Interesting, that's nice for a contact page.
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@MuseResort ↩️ The Muse of Last resort uses Webmention on the main site. You can use it to get a link back to a story you have written based on one of our many many prompts. (twitter.com/_/status/1530236185141989381)
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[aciccarello] [Chris_Lott] I think the classless aspect is what people feel is novel after years of kitchen sink css frameworks.
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[KevinMarks] Also the newer ones are predicated on POSH rather a zillion custom classes
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[Chris_Lott] I learned how to use CSS without classes. I thought that was the norm at the time.
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[Chris_Lott] But then, as presentation demands grow, you end up with classes (and more classes). So, I guess what was old is new again.
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[KevinMarks] Hmm, I should liberate shoelace 1 from the 2.0 version that is doing something different
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[tw2113_Slack_] [Chris_Lott] you just gave me a twisted idea of only using descendent selectors
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[tw2113_Slack_] html > article > div > div > div etc
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[tw2113_Slack_] and how much of a design could you get out of it
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[echo] i mean if you use some sibling selectors and such it’s possible, but it somewhat defeats the point of the “cascading” part of CSS 🙂
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[tw2113_Slack_] yeah it’d have a mix of that detail, not just `>` but i needed a quick example 😄
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[echo] yeah for sure. honestly if you really wanna troll the community, make a PostCSS plugin that converts classes to that form
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[tw2113_Slack_] lulz
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> 🤣
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[KevinMarks] This is interesting https://blog.cloudflare.com/new-dev-docs/
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jamietanna I use and enjoy https://classless.de/
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[fluffy] Basically the point to newcss/simplecss/etc. is to give people a good starting point for a semantically-styled website which is easy to modify and theme the layout on, while letting people focus on content rather than presentation. It’s sort of a nicer-looking way of doing the classic “black times new roman on a gray or white background” page design that was so common in the mid-to-late-90s.
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gRegor I think I found this one via KevinMarks a while back: https://www.cssbed.com/ I thought we had some of those links on the wiki but can't find them now
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[KevinMarks] Nice. Also https://newcss.net/
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lkhrs[m] I'm a fan of pico.css and Simple.css myself