#dev 2022-07-12

2022-07-12 UTC
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sp1ff Are u-in-reply-to, u-like-of and u-repost of mutually exclusive? Or can I like, repost and reply to a post all at the same time?
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GWG sp1ff: You can, but it is a bit confusing
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sp1ff heh. How so?
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GWG Well, think of it in a sentence. You are reposting the entire post, then you are liking it, and replying to it....that makes a post very busy
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GWG Doesn't mean wrong.
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GWG Also, speaking on a code level, some code will have a hard time figuring out intent.
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GWG But that's my personal interpretation.
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sp1ff Agree.
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sp1ff But would it break any existing code?
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sp1ff I have a statically generated site using Emacs Org Mode HTML export, and I'm putting it on the Indieweb. Trying to figure out the rules.
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gRegor I would be surprised if consumers caught all three of those
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gRegor what is ptd
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Loqi Post Type Discovery specifies an algorithm for consuming code to determine the type of a post by its content properties and their values rather than an explicit “post type” property, thus better matched to modern post creation UIs that allow combining text, media, etc in a variety of ways without burdening users with any notion of what kind of post they are creating https://indieweb.org/PTD
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gRegor See the algorithm on that page ^
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gRegor I think most consumers would see it as only a reply
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gRegor But it wouldn't cause any issue with the mf2 parser. All three properties would be preserved there.
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sp1ff Ah... yes, I see it. Thanks
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GWG Yes, that's what I was referring to. But parsers wouldn't have an issue.
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sp1ff mf2?
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gRegor what is mf2
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Loqi microformats2 is the latest stable and interoperable version of microformats https://indieweb.org/mf2
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gRegor Those are the u-in-reply-to, u-like-of classes (etc.)
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sp1ff Thanks all (including Loqi)!
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Loqi you're welcome
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gRegor Good bot :)
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sp1ff lol
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@mrsmckhaos Working on Compatibility with Webmentions & the IndieWeb | Tim Nolte https://www.timnolte.com/2021/01/10/working-on-compatibility-with-webmentions-the-indieweb/ #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1546826765129113606)
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jacky anyone else use htmx on their sites? https://htmx.org/docs/#introduction
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jacky I find it very interesting to use esp with microformats mainly b/c it really digs into the HATEOS ideals (i.e.: using HTML as your API)
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[aciccarello] After doing work with different JS frameworks, I'm suspicious of tools that make you learn DSL layers on top of HTML.
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[aciccarello] I think I prefer JS apis to be in JS.
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jacky this plays with the idea of removing JS apis altogether
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jacky or like making one _specific_ to JS
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[tantek]1 who needs JS apis when you have conneg? 🤡
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jacky heh
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[snarfed]1 conneg-- gotta wake up earlier in the morning to sneak that by me
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Loqi conneg has -7 karma in this channel over the last year (-9 in all channels)
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jacky lmfao
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[tantek]1 snarfed lol 💀
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[tantek]1 jacky, I expect /metaformats will be more helpful with /linkpreview than with /ptd though maybe I'm missing something?
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[tantek]1 re: #microformats
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jacky I figured it could do _some_ parts because of it's ability to pull out things like `photo`, `video` and `audio`
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[tantek]1 hmm, could be interesting to see how many posts that would help? what's the consuming use-case in particular?
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sknebel what is metaformats?
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Loqi metaformats started as an April Fools joke concept to describe how to both publish using microformats class names and openly parse meta tags as a fallback for what should be in-the-body visible data, including backcompat with OGP, Twitter Cards, and meta author, description, and anything else real sites (like search engines) appear to consume https://indieweb.org/metaformats
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jacky I'm thinking about people who might not publish mf2 but appear in one's reader, a reader that could use it as an extension to mf2 could more apprioriately show their content in-stream
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jacky of course, this is def speculation but I was curious if it was a _novel_ one lol
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[tantek]1 jacky, I think the key point here is that /ptd was designed for legacy systems that have an existing post type dependency. New systems, software, services shouldn't because they ought to be designed to adapt layouts, presentation etc. based on the properties present, not based on some abstract typology of posts
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jacky hmm
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[tantek]1 instead of going properties -> abstract post types -> presentation
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[tantek]1 they should be skipping the middle part
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[tantek]1 properties -> presentation
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[tantek]1 there's enough existing implementations (e.g. FB) that make it clear that not only do implementations not need that abstract explicit post types intermediate step, but that doing so causes a bad backpressure on the UX, forcing users to have to think about post types
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[tantek]1 (e.g. what Tumblr is now stuck with)
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[schmarty] has++ is--
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Loqi has has 1 karma over the last year
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Loqi is has -1 karma over the last year
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[schmarty] gives loqi a thanks for the lax stopword list
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Loqi loves the thanks for the lax stopword list
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jacky lol
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