#dev 2022-08-16

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[tantek] it's an excellent poster child for sometimes worse-is-worse.
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[tantek] also for, this is what happens when you abandon the "key design goal" in the interests of expediency for your particular use-case
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[tantek] [schmarty] on a positive note, I'm definitely curious what subset of "some markdown" you "use the heck out of"
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[schmarty] headings and lists and em/strong/code and code blocks. occasionally images.
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[tantek] Markdown << Some early history: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/atx/intro.html
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Loqi ok, I added "Some early history: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/atx/intro.html" to the "See Also" section of /markdown https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=82958&oldid=82957
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[tantek] how many levels (to what depth) of headings have you found yourself using in practice?
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[schmarty] i am like a local minimum finder for just enough syntax to add emphasis or clarify ambiguity 😂
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jacky heh I noticed that at best, I go down to like h4
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jacky mainly on my work page
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[schmarty] i try to keep things to the ol' standard of one h1 per page and try not to nest more deeply than an h3.
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jacky I use a lot of the HTML5 tags and IIRC they suggest adjusting levels as things like <section>, <article> etc get deeprr
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[schmarty] jacky: implied / reset heading levels in nested sections/articles has (finally) been removed from the HTML spec because browsers never implemented it 😅
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[tantek] !tell snarfed is there a corollary or "future" to "manual until it hurts" where what do you do when the automation breaks and becomes unmaintained / unmaintainable? I feel there's more to the story of "manual until it hurts" (perhaps not enough for a flow chart, yet). example, what happened to: w3.org/Terms
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jacky lol see then I have the doubled benefit of it being easy to style and shrink
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[tantek] jacky, the relative headings based on <section> & <article> never gained any serious adoption.
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[schmarty] https://brucelawson.co.uk/2022/why-the-html-outlining-algorithm-was-removed-from-the-spec-the-truth-will-shock-you/
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[tantek] yep
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[tantek] even <section> and <article> have likely caused more authoring headache than benefit for users
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[tantek] jacky, [schmarty] yeah, depth 4 is about the most for me in practice too. Good, I didn't bother designing beyond depth level 4 for an actual human readable (without wondering, what's this gibberish) plain text expression of headings
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jacky heh
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GWG My current project is a pain. Doing refactoring and cleanup on messy code and adding new unit tests.
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GWG I'm afraid I'm making it messier
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@MeritzPress Where a flower blooms tonight, Devout and purple, With a rift for a hollow power, That shivers it springs from a root - from Pluck At The Offering, Barbarity. Free excerpts. Order at http://amzn.to/2CF8fts or kindle http://amzn.to/2CV3tw4 #literature #writer #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/1559514068091805698)
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[snarfed] capjamesg: I'd want someone else to _drive_ a new Indie Map crawl, not just help...so it's up to them, not me, if it happens!
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Loqi [snarfed]: [tantek] left you a message 13 hours, 59 minutes ago: is there a corollary or "future" to "manual until it hurts" where what do you do when the automation breaks and becomes unmaintained / unmaintainable? I feel there's more to the story of "manual until it hurts" (perhaps not enough for a flow chart, yet). example, what happened to: w3.org/Terms
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[snarfed] and thanks re hackermention! my initial idea would have been really small and simple, but Firebase doesn't support it đŸ˜ĸ https://stackoverflow.com/a/73355286/186123 , so I'm doing it the more traditional way, ah well
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[snarfed] [tantek] maybe!
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capjamesg https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/apple-becomes-first-tech-giant-to-explicitly-ban-caste-discrimination-trains-managers-on-indian-caste-system-1988183-2022-08-15
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capjamesg Ah, I thought I was in #chat.
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capjamesg Let's discuss there.
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@kevinmarks ↩ī¸ #ToolsForThinking @jerrymichalski: How can we make a social memory so everyone can use their favourite tool, but connect between them? [km webmention!] (twitter.com/_/status/1559574905162764289)
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@_swiftp ↩ī¸ no but really for tools I've been curious about Astro for development and Webmentions for a comment system https://astro.build/ https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1559619386268389377)
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