#dev 2022-10-12

2022-10-12 UTC
sp1ff, jacky, geoffo, [manton], [schmarty], oodani, s[_], kushal, voxpelli, superkuh, vikanezrimaya, srushe, gRegorLove_, [snarfed], gerben, epoch, wagle, mro, jeremycherfas and gRegorLove__ joined the channel
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@littlegoodjack 各方面來說都蠻酷的 Deno、Cloudflare R2、Cloudflare Pages、Deepl API、Github Actions、YouTube lazing loading 當然還有文末的 Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1580163376222965760)
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@stevenjmesser ↩️ will ping it over when it’s done! (can’t remember if you have webmentions set up?) (twitter.com/_/status/1580175885915017217)
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[snarfed] funny, I got a warning from GCP (my host) for https://instagram-atom.appspot.com/ due to "phishing content," Meta must have finally noticed enough to send them a takedown request
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[snarfed] they're totally right, I was asking for IG login cookies, which is...bad. I removed that, but you can see what it looked like on https://web.archive.org/web/20220718225957/https://instagram-atom.appspot.com/
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[snarfed] it wasn't working anyway due to IG's bot detection. time to switch it to a browser extension, just like Bridgy IG
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[snarfed] (same with https://facebook-atom.appspot.com/, even though it didn't get reported. it's still working ok, unlike instagram-atom, FB's bot detection never got quite as aggressive)
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[manton] Keep fighting the good fight, [snarfed]. 🙂 Routing around Meta’s API-hostile attitude is so deflating.
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aaronpk meta--
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Loqi meta has -1 karma in this channel over the last year (-2 in all channels)
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[KevinMarks] Zuck had the gall to talk about Facebook supporting open standards in his keynote yesterday
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[manton] I guess it’s easy to talk about open platforms when they don’t really exist yet and might not exists for years.
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[manton] Although he’s right that whatever Apple does with AR/VR is going to follow the App Store playbook, surely.
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barnaby reminds me of apple announcing that iMessage would be using an open protocol when it was announced
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[KevinMarks] It was FaceTime https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1567819103955460098?t=ZlZLzKMpkKY-YuNqCgVKUw&s=19
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@kevinmarks @reckless Remember when FaceTime launched in 2010 and Steve Jobs said they were using open standards and would take it to the standards bodies the next day? Still waiting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7tQpjxrLmg&t=5800s (twitter.com/_/status/1567819103955460098)
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capjamesg Wow.
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capjamesg The iPhone 4 was $200?
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capjamesg 16 GB
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[jgarber] Phone cost used to be subsidized by the carriers, if I recall correctly, and you’d pay it off through your service plan. At least here in the US. So sticker price appeared much lower.
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aaronpk so many dead mastodon instances that are following me, i really need better logic to decide how to eventually give up on an instance
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aaronpk i have some sort of logic for it, but it seems to not be cleaning enough of them up
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[tantek] add them to /site-deaths ?
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aaronpk way too much work haha
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[tantek] is there no centralized Mastodon site cemetery?
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jacky the only thing 'centralized' about mastodon prob would be the index list at https://joinmastodon.org
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angelo https://instances.social/list.json?q%5Bmin_users%5D=&q%5Bmax_users%5D=&strict=true&_=1665602384609 look for the "dead" key in each of the ~3751 instances
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capjamesg They all seem to be false?
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[manton] [aaronpk] I need to work on this too… I was thinking maybe if an instance fails for X days, just remove the follower. If somehow the instances come back online, the user could re-follow to fix it. Not sure.
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aaronpk yeah, it seems like exponential back-off and eventually just giving up is the right idea
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[manton] Makes sense. I think I’m most unsure about what “giving up” means… Could mark the instance as unreachable but then you still have a follower reference in your db that doesn’t exist.
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jacky is curious about this too from a websub perspective
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[snarfed] I do this manually for Bridgy. I look at https://brid.gy/admin/sources every few days or so, and once an instance has failed for long enough, I disable its users manually
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[snarfed] hasn't hurt enough to automate yet
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[snarfed] [manton] you arguably have the same problem for Twitter (and any other external?) users if they get deleted, right?
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[snarfed] or renamed, if you use username as their primary key (like Bridgy 😱 https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/766) instead of id
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Loqi [snarfed] #766 handle when usernames change
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jacky oh that's another interesting case to consider
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[tantek] jacky, this isn't a problem for websub because the responsibility is on the subscriber, not the publisher, and websub subscriptions require regular re-upping.
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[tantek] this whole thing is a giant downside to the whole "publisher responsible for pushing to subscribers" model of AP
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jacky makes a note
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@toddgrotenhuis ↩️ http://micro.blog is now basically a full mastodon instance as well as a non-dumpsterfire social network and an indie blogging platform with full webmention, etc. support (twitter.com/_/status/1580288151469236224)
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[manton] [snarfed] I don’t have the same problem with Twitter because the only Twitter API stuff I do is POSSE. Someone would have to auth their Twitter account in Micro.blog, then go and delete their own Twitter account… Could happen but doesn’t seem nearly as common as Mastodon users going away.
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[manton] Also I need to look into how Mastodon aliases work. That may minimize the problem.
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[schmarty] [manton] i have an old (weird?) micro.blog account fed from my feeds at martymcgui.re. i see the option to set my mastodon username. the only option appears to be schmarty@micro.blog. will it... work? i guess i don't understand to what extent this is a paid micro.blog feature.
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[snarfed] [manton] you were thinking about Twitter backfeed too, right, and how to identify Twitter users there inside micro.blog? Maybe that hasn't shipped yet though?
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[manton] [schmarty] I’ve never actually tested it with a blog that’s hosted somewhere else instead of on Micro.blog… I think it might work. 🙂
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[manton] [snarfed] Hmm… No current plans to do Twitter backfeed directly, but I guess I do create Twitter usernames when they come in from Bridgy. Good point.
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[manton] That’s different than Mastodon followers, though, where I’m actively trying to reach out to Mastodon servers that may or may not be there.
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[manton] [schmarty] If you try enabling it and it works, lemme know. It won’t give you the option to use a custom domain name unless you have a paid blog, so I feel like Bridgy Fed is probably a better fit for most people. Unless you just want a micro.blog ActivityPub username!
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[schmarty] i have been thinking about setting one of these up so it is tempting 🤔 🤔 🤔
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[KevinMarks] Manton++ for pioneering sensible policies at scale
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Loqi Manton has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (26 in all channels)
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jacky what is web sign-in
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Loqi Web sign-in is signing in to websites using your personal web address (without having to use your e-mail address) https://indieweb.org/web-sign-in