#dev 2022-11-03
2022-11-03 UTC
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Loqi Micropub is an open API standard (W3C Recommendation) for creating, editing, and deleting posts on websites, like on your own domain, supported by numerous third-party clients, CMSs, and social readers https://indieweb.org/micropub
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[snarfed] https://fediverse.observer/stats#posts_growth says ~600M fediverse posts per month, works out to ~225 per second. substantial, but doable
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@t ↩️ many AP impls, e.g. #BridgyFed as noted. Also @microdotblog. You can setup http://notes.mnot.net served by https://micro.blog/, post w their apps or https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Clients, @-mention w #Webmention, & have Mastodon followers w/o using Mastodon.
https://tantek.com/t5Md1 (twitter.com/_/status/1588019549089435649)
# Loqi [Gargron] I did a poll for public opinion: https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/99798025215868039 And while the actual poll is almost 50:50, a lot of valid privacy concerns were raised
- It's a privacy violation that people aren't expecting (change of behaviour...
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rubenwardy Btw, this doesn't seem to work at all: https://indieweb.org/authorship#Author_information_in_a_header_or_footer
# rubenwardy directly copying that example into https://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/ update set the h-entry's author
# rubenwardy and using a similar thing doesn't work on indiewebify's checker ( https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/624021ca2eca366084e9ae9970cdf635 )
# rubenwardy s/update/doesn't
# rubenwardy a lot of the documentation is very fragmented
# rubenwardy that makes microformats not very nice to use, the authorship algorithm should be part of the standard and implemented in all compliant parsers
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barnaby the markup on https://blog.rubenwardy.com/ all looks really good though https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=https://blog.rubenwardy.com/
# rubenwardy is the authorship algorithm something that indieweb has tacked on?
# rubenwardy Yeah, I ended up just embedding the author information
# rubenwardy rather than putting it in a header/footer
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# rubenwardy but the point of the h-card is to add name, photo, and url to the post authors
# rubenwardy so removing those would be pointless
# rubenwardy if I change it to a <div> and add a[class=u-url] will it match with the .h-entry .u-author s?
# rubenwardy there isn't a u-photo and p-name in the h-entry - it's just this: <a href="https://rubenwardy.com/" class="u-author"></a>
# rubenwardy anyway, it doesn't matter that much. It's not that much redundancy to repeat the author information in posts
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# barnaby rubenwardy: hopefully this example explains it https://gist.github.com/barnabywalters/d488448b55fbfb6ff3f543ed3d880d26
# rubenwardy ah thanks
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@Chronotope ↩️ I think broader uses for rel=me are interesting! Generally we should likely lean into domains as arbiter of ids b/c it encourages lots of other good behaviors, but I know we're a long way from there. If you're not already familiar, this is a good ex that: https://indieauth.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/1588218080047599618)
# [tantek]1 For journalism, authors, publishers, and frankly any professional writer, we should really be leaning into them owning their own domain, site etc. If you're paid to write and/or paid to broadcast, um, why are you not taking a tiny fraction of what you're paid to do that securely & authentically from your own domain? Zero reason for any of those professionals to use a "free" service as their primary point of following
# [tantek]1 Semi-related to getting paid: I encourage folks here who have been working on IndieWeb projects and believe that external funding would help their projects to take a look at this https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-ventures-investing-in-responsible-tech/ (cc: [benatwork] in particular for his opinions of the whole thing)
# [benatwork] 👀 this is exciting
# [tantek]1 Disclosure: I work at Mozilla, but have nothing to do with the Ventures effort, nor do I have any way of "recommending" anyone for it. Your best bet is to follow the opportunities in that blog post, and yes, Surman and other folks in his org know of "IndieWeb" so you should mention that, open standards etc.
# [tantek]1 Thanks [benatwork] hopefully it can do some good in that broader world
# [benatwork] I definitely have some opinions, which are complicated - I LOVE that Mozilla is doing this. I also hope it's thought about follow-on investments and ecosystem-building so that ventures don't flounder post-Mozilla's investment.
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# [benatwork] I, uh, wrote this about mission-driven VC a few days ago https://werd.io/2022/the-myth-of-the-good-venture-startup-is-dead
# [benatwork] But I still have a lot of hope and trust Mozilla a lot.
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# [tantek]1 barnaby, check the blog post, it notes the prior similar efforts
# [tantek]1 Thanks [benatwork], I think it's definitely being approached with a sense of humility so I hope there will be sensitivity to concerns like that
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# Loqi The authorship testing tool is a service to run the authorship algorithm for a URL. It's sometimes referred to as Sturdy Backbone based on the URL Glitch automatically generated https://indieweb.org/authorship_testing_tool
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gRegor rubenwardy, barnaby ^ that might be helpful in the short term. There is an open issue to add /authorship-spec tests on indiewebify.me
# gRegor https://monocle.p3k.io/preview is good for previewing a post as well https://monocle.p3k.io/preview
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# Loqi ok, I added "written by
{{sknebel}}, so poke him if its broken or you want to borrow the (janky) code to inspire a rewrite" to a brand new "See Also" section of /authorship_testing_tool https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=84168&oldid=49405 # [schmarty]1 sknebel++ for applying it to sturdy-backbone 😄
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@cowglow Who else is ready to advance #webmentions. I remember being fascinated about the concept when I first heard of it a… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588267705957842945 (twitter.com/_/status/1588267705957842945)
# [timothy_chambe] [snarfed] if you wanted to create an official Indiewebcamp account on our instance...
# [timothy_chambe] "we have the official https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp account, an official Mastodon account sounds reasonable"
# [timothy_chambe] https://indieweb.social/invite/NzA7HPR5
# [timothy_chambe] This instance actually was born out of discussion we had here in this chat back in 2019.
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# [timothy_chambe] OK brilliant
# [timothy_chambe] Will go there
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