#dev 2022-12-24

2022-12-24 UTC
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[snarfed]2 gRegor++ thank you!
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gRegor Stepping away from the computer, happy holidays all!
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[tantek] happy holidays gRegor!
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[tantek] that overloading of ‘rsvp’ property sounds bad (both enum on an /rsvp post, and URL on an /event post)
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[tantek] Also I’m not sure we want to propagate u-like u-comment u-repost etc. every time there’s a new response type that seems like a lot of work for individual receiving posts / servers to have to upgrade/update
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[tantek] have we talked about collapsing them into a u-response?
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aaronpk again i think we need to be really clear about the consuming case of these things before we keep going
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[tantek] Salmentions without having to change that logic for every new /response type
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[tantek] I should have said that first yes
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[tantek] I don’t know of consuming use cases for each response having its own u-* property like u-like
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aaronpk i think we should go deeper on salmentions before continuing this too
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aaronpk because i don't think there are a lot of implementations of it in any form
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[tantek] So yes, I’m arguing for simplification from a consuming use-case perspective
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aaronpk also we should revisit the salmention functionality in the context of how activitypub has handled the similar problem and all the scaling and visibility problems that exist with that model
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[tantek] We don’t have a lot of exact implementations, however I’d say that AP / [Simon_Willison] example demonstrates problems with other approaches to implementing the equivalent of Salmentions
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[tantek] I think we are overlapping in our concerns aaronpk
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aaronpk basically i don't think we have a solid enough understanding of the solution to jump to markup discussions just yet
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[tantek] Sorta. We’ve had some trial & error and I think it’s ok to iterate
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[tantek] Because we do have things that have been prototyped and deployed live
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[tantek] And we are starting to see the problem of in-post response markup proliferating, so this is actually a call for fewer markup properties, not more
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[tantek] Lastly despite agreeing we don’t have a backcompat issue, u-like-of vs u-like has always looked like it would confuse devs into making a mistake
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[tantek] Now we have likes, reposts, rsvps, bookmarks, quotes, and probably a few more I’m forgetting.
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[tantek] Aaronpk, I’m not saying u-response is a “complete” solution. I’m saying it’s a stopgap to prevent further proliferation of extra class names per response type, so publishers can stop publishing them now, before we start seeing consuming code dependencies
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aaronpk imo a stopgap is to stop marking them up
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[tantek] I agree we need to better understand the mechanics / dynamics of how Salmentions should work, and how AP/Masto is failing
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[tantek] that’s reasonable too, then we should make sure they are all only in Brainstorming sections with big warnings, not in “How to” sections
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[tantek] Except will dropping u-comment cause the few Salmentions implementations to break?
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[tantek] Curious what [ben_thatmustbe] ‘s code would do
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aaronpk according to this there are only two receiving implementations of salmentions, at least one of which we know is offline https://indieweb.org/Salmention#IndieWeb_Examples
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[tantek] I count you and [ben_thatmustbe] as still working Salmentions receivers. Hence I asked
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[tantek] Page does need updating thought to add a Previous Examples section
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[KevinMarks] Talking to people who have had salmention implementations and ceased them could be informative too - was it traffic floods that caused them to stop?
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[tantek] I think it was lack of interesting things happening
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@zsbenke This is just a test to see if http://Brid.gy POSSE works from a client. (twitter.com/_/status/1606581190080794625)
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[snarfed]2 in which I learn more about CA bundles than I planned to on Christmas Eve morning 😐 https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/1372
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Loqi [preview] [tobykurien] #1372 Add Let's Encrypt R3 intermediate certificate to server
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[schmarty] that is confusing about LE R3!
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[tantek] @snarfed++ devops hugops
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[tantek] I think it’s going to be a “bug” fixing day, or whatever you call it when you rewrite code to be more robust
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[schmarty] Sounds right!
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[tantek] learning about `curl_multi_exec`
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starrwulfe[m] Well I found out how to use Vercel to rewrite my site from Craft app. Now I just need to figure out how to add some rel=me and webmentions tags into the mix along with some other niceties...
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[tantek] opting for CURLOPT_TIMEOUT instead of curl_multi_exec
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[tantek] going to give Bridgy Fed a 30s timeout
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[tantek] "like" regression test passed, so far so good.