#dev 2022-12-26
2022-12-26 UTC
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[tantek] hmm, does Mastodon search of my permalinks really not work? https://twitter.com/StarrWulfe/status/1607119508434554880
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@StarrWulfe in reply to #TwitterMigration, first time? How do I interact with a post on your site if I haven’t followed from ActivityWeb yet since I can’t just stick the URL into my search bar in Mastodon…? https://tantek.com/2022/301/t1/twittermigration-bridgyfed-mastodon-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1607119508434554880)
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[snarfed]2 Copying and pasting post URLs across instances is a user space thing, so I doubt that
# [snarfed]2 BF does have to redirect-wrap AS2 ids and urls for Mastodon interop, but searching for the wrapped URL https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://tantek.com/2022/301/t1/twittermigration-bridgyfed-mastodon-indieweb doesn't find it either
# [snarfed]2 Oh or aaronpk do you mean that Mastodon instances only index for search if a URL serves connegged aAS2?
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aaronpk look at this bananas accept header `"application/activity+json, application/ld+json; profile=\x22https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams\x22, text/html;q=0.1`
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# [snarfed]2 Ah right. So if I serve connegged AS2 on those wrapped URLs, they might show up in Mastodon search
# [snarfed]2 Yeah that I can't really do anything about
# [snarfed]2 Unless there's some conneg proxy rel link I can stick into webfinger
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# [snarfed]2 Yes...but that's a much bigger ask of users
# [snarfed]2 Also do 3xx redirects generally preserve headers? I assume so?
# [snarfed]2 Simpler ones though, and for paths they're probably not already serving. Much lower risk/complexity
# [snarfed]2 Yeah true
# [snarfed]2 Yup
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# [snarfed]2 maybe? try it!
# [snarfed]2 the BF redirect URL, eg https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://tantek.com/2022/301/t1/twittermigration-bridgyfed-mastodon-indieweb
# [snarfed]2 it already handles conneg, just not (yet) full Accept header parsing, so it’s not smart enough yet to handle Mastodon’s
# [snarfed]2 oh actually that’s probably not enough here. Mastodon will probably fetch it with its same Accept header, which BF will fail to parse
# [snarfed]2 let me see if I can hack in proper parsing real fast
# [snarfed]2 oh you could point it at granary’s url for converting your html to AS2
# [snarfed]2 also this is a useful test, but asking users to modify their HTML site-wide is maybe even a bigger ask than asking them for site-wide conneg redirects 🤷
# [snarfed]2 ahhh right sorry I missed the header part
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# [snarfed]2 ok BF redirect URLs now handle Mastodon conneg properly
# [snarfed]2 Mastodon search still doesn’t show anything for eg https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://tantek.com/2022/301/t1/twittermigration-bridgyfed-mastodon-indieweb though 🤷
# [snarfed]2 ? that url is in the Note object’s id and url fields
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M0x3b0b[m] I'm mildly tickled by seeing the person who replied to my introduction post to talk about the fact that I planned on Fediverse/Indieweb "dual citizenship" because he wanted to do the same thing...already jumping ahead of me already on some of the same stuff I'm planning to try to get hashed out over the course of the next week.
# [snarfed]2 M0x3b0b++
# [snarfed]2 seems maybe more like syndication to a silo account, vs EU’s right of free movement maybe closer to IndieWeb + BF into the fediverse
# [snarfed]2 backs away slowly
# [snarfed]2 aaronpk oh! I see what you mean. yeah you’re definitely right
# M0x3b0b[m] "dual citizen" just popped to mind because I think I've come across references to being a "citizen" of both, so...it seemed logical. I think I'd referred to it before as being bilingual. But I'm tossing terms around that amuse me more than I'm proposing that any of it is a solid analogy.
# [snarfed]2 aaronpk++ winner winner chicken dinner, that did it!
# [snarfed]2 not really useful for UX though, since it’s only https://fed.brid.gy/r/… URLs, but it’s something
# [snarfed]2 yup
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[jamietanna] Is there a way to follow a Mastodon account using Granary as-is, like if you wanted to add the URL to a social reader instead of following in Bridgy Fed? (also happy with this but looking at following more quietly as an option)
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Loqi [jamietanna]: gRegor left you a message 2 days, 13 hours ago: I tried to deduce your earliest displayed RSVP here based on your own RSVP posts, feel free to update if that's not correct! https://indieweb.org/rsvps#Jamie_Tanna
# [jamietanna] sknebel I've found that some folks I've been following haven't been updating since the 4.0 Mastodon release
# [jamietanna] Thanks gRegor, saw that the other day but not had the chance yet to confirm, appreciate you doing the hard work to check!
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[schmarty] I had issues with some RSS feeds from Mastodon folks seem to stop updating in aperture even though I could see they had been actively posting. Just switched over to following my Bridgy Fed feed after all 😅
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@akiwtasjaya Woow unprecedented generosity! Dont waste time! @kindy_10 @gtsb_webmention @Yeraykokis @devchaliha @Rishikrishna34 @vicdetermined @KyleHam25616771 @___Lino____ @cryptobender5 @cjdaproducer @ArshadIdreesi @Kristij87095043 @paolobo @liuwang66 (twitter.com/_/status/1607473638206496769)
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# [jamietanna] Snarfed do we support Moves from Bridgy Fed? https://fed.brid.gy/user/www.jvt.me isn't showing a move from https://social.lol/@carol that should've appeared earlier from https://mastodon.social/@carolgilabert
# [snarfed]2 [jamietanna] no, BF doesn’t currently do Mastodon account moves. they’re not well standardized or documented, they use a Move activity that isn’t in either the AS2 or AP specs. https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#supported-activities-for-profiles
# [snarfed]2 [manton] has researched them more than me, https://www.manton.org/2022/12/02/moving-from-mastodon.html
# [snarfed]2 oh sorry I misspoke, Move is in the AS2 vocab spec, briefly. https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-move
# [snarfed]2 feel free to file an issue!
# [jamietanna] Ah gotcha thanks. Is it possible to surface it in the UI as a warning / log message? Would be handy being able to check what moves I've been notified about
# [snarfed]2 ah nm https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/330
# [jamietanna] Could this also be affecting a Moved account trying to follow me again?
# [snarfed]2 hmm! I wouldn’t expect so, but maybe it’s possible
# [jamietanna] Carol's re-followed me from the Masto UI but doesn't seem to have worked as I've not received a Follow webmention 🤷♂️
# [snarfed]2 hmm ok! have to run but feel free to look for a failed follow in https://fed.brid.gy/user/www.jvt.me
# [snarfed]2 I can look in logs if it’s not there
# [jamietanna] Thanks [snarfed] looks like they're blocked in the UI by "already sent a follow request" so can't send any new follows
# [jamietanna] (and so new logs appear)
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# Loqi A poll is a post type that facilitates responses to be aggregated into a final set of votes, usually offering between two and four options from which users can choose https://indieweb.org/poll
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starrwulfe[m] For whoever’s out there:
# starrwulfe[m] /Now — About to see if I can post something to Instagram and have jlg.micro.blog suck it up thru Bridgy…. Or is that s’posed to go the other way around?!? Guess I’ll find out in a second…
# [jamietanna] Has anyone got their Bridgy Fed username available to https://fedifinder.glitch.me/ ? Seems to show as "no handle found" in bio, when I've added it. Maybe the regex doesn't handle `.` s?
# [jamietanna] I see https://twitter.com/schmarty picked up correctly with `@marty@`
# starrwulfe[m] OK, I must be missing something… I know I can’t publish something to Instagram directly via Bridgy, but I have a hacky way I can do this with IFTTT.
# starrwulfe[m] What needs to be present on Instagram for the Bridgy extension to pull comments back to my site?
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# [snarfed]2 starrwulfe either your IG post needs to link to your web site post, or your web site post needs to link to your IG post with u-syndication (or rel-syndication): https://brid.gy/about#missing
# starrwulfe[m] [snarfed]2: so this means just a link within the IG post like this one:
# [tantek] worth reading for perspectives on OSS projects and sustainable funding etc. https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/25/the-matrix-holiday-update-2022/
# [snarfed]2 starrwulfe yup. looks like you edited that IG post to add the link? now you can wait for the extension to poll again later, or you can manually trigger it on its preferences page
# [snarfed]2 also micro.blog is a bit particular about how it accepts Bridgy webmentions. I know [manton] had to do something special for Twitter, I don’t know how/whether it supports Instagram yet
# starrwulfe[m] [snarfed]2: yep, that’s exactly what I was thinking myself — but my Bridgy simply said “no webmention” targets all over the place so I assumed I didn’t do something right.
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# [snarfed]2 micro.blog has a wm endpoint, so Bridgy will still send ok. looks like it hasn’t gotten to that point yet here
# starrwulfe[m] I think there’s a sub layer of URLs that microblog uses in addition to the pretty links we all get when creating a post; I wish there were some way [manton] could let me expose that URL as a shortURL for tools like this; would allow me to do some interesting things in IFTTT and Zapier maybe
# starrwulfe[m] If I post a picture to Instagram, it also fires off an IFTTT action to post as a native twitter tweet with the full pic and caption. I don’t know if Bridgy can expand twitter’s short URLs to pick up the original links if I go the other way…
# starrwulfe[m] [manton]: even if they’re working for Twitter? (Or that may have been because I was manually doing the Bridgy stuff in the theme I used at first…)