#dev 2023-01-09

2023-01-09 UTC
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@MikeWMerritt Attempting to successfully syndicate comments to/from Twitter via webmention/ActivityPub. (twitter.com/_/status/1612245028708941824)
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[tantek] !tell [snarfed] Bridgy Fed idea, a page showing an aggregate feed of all your followers posts, e.g. https://fed.brid.gy/user/tantek.com/followers/feed — idea derived from: https://sfba.social/@alexismadrigal/109651760416246482
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[snarfed] AP doesn't deliver those posts to your inbox, so that's not really possible with the current protocol, at least not very scalably
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[tantek] right, not via AP, that's a good point. however BF does know the list, and thus a list of RSS feeds
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[tantek] perhaps BF could provide half the solution, like that list of RSS feeds to a Microsub server to do the feed retrieval and placement into a channel
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[snarfed] hmm maybe!
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[tantek] so rather than /followers/feed, /followers/feeds — as in provide a list of the feeds of your followers. That should be scalable for BF
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[tantek] then we'd need to figure out what's the best way for a Microsub server to consume that into a channel
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[tantek] hey folks using Mastodon web UI as a reader and paying attention to what toots show up where and where they don’t, does this diagram reflect your experience? https://mstdn.party/@voron/109546077495237414 (sharing here in #indieweb-dev because the details seem very dev-like)
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Loqi [preview] [Voron] Good morning #mastodon hey #twitter escapees wondering how a post gets seen here? Yup, it’s different it depends on people, boosts, not an algorithm. 👇 https://files.mstdn.party/media_attachments/files/109/546/077/392/306/728/original/b802713cf591e075.png
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sknebel that seens accurate
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[tantek] Lots of interesting design decisions embedded in that flowchart
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[tantek] added .cloud and .party to my live in-production version of auto_link in cassis.js because I'm replying to Mastodon posts on servers with those TLDs
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[tantek] [snarfed] I'm noticing that even delivering replies to toots is taking a while. Is it because delivery to specific instances may be taking a while?
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[tantek] (BridgyFed delivery of replies to masto .social .cloud etc.)
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[tantek] !tell [aaronpk] how am I supposed to find your original reply post from https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/1603808781732786176 ? I tried putting that twitter URL into the searchbox on your site (aaronparecki.com) but it returned zero results
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@aaronpk @denicmarko If only it were that simple http://tantek.com/2011/url-diagram.html (twitter.com/_/status/1603808781732786176)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] ok I guess I have to search for the text contents of your tweet reply, in the search box on your site and hope that returns the original permalink
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[snarfed] [tantek] delivery of BF replies is synchronous within the webmention request
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[tantek] which I still have timeout at 30s however it seems like my recent replies to toots take all of those 30s
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[snarfed] Same with all other BF delivery except original posts to followers. Those are still immediate, just not synchronous
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[snarfed] That's surprising, I'll look
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[snarfed] Re finding aaronpk's replies, do we need to update original post discovery? 😎
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starrwulfe[m] [tantek]: your reply to me at mastodon.cloud was about 15 minutes delayed, but it happens from time to time on that instance.
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starrwulfe[m] And that’s only when the push got to my phone; could’ve been the push messages fault as well. But it’s ok enough for me
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[snarfed] [tantek] I clicked on the logs of your four most recent replies on https://fed.brid.gy/user/tantek.com, it shows that they all ran in a few seconds each
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[tantek] [snarfed] sounds like I need to instrument the webmention sending code on my end to see if I can get some more precise numbers
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[tantek] re: do we need to update original post discovery, perhaps as another fallback (when POSSE copies lack OPPs), we need to ask sites to provide an original post lookup endpoint that takes a POSSE permalink and returns the original post permalink (OPP)
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aaronpk [tantek] oh you mean like this? https://aaronparecki.com/original-of
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Loqi [preview] Aaron Parecki
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aaronpk But yes I should make my search box return results for syndication links
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[tantek] 🤦 https://indieweb.org/original-post-discovery#Aaron_Parecki
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[snarfed] ohhh I misread at first, I thought this was for a fediverse post. never mind then
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@t 11 years ago today, Ryan Barrett (https://snarfed.org/ @schnarfed) launched Bridgy (https://brid.gy/) to copy #socialmedia replies as comments on original blog posts. This meant those of us building #IndieWeb sites could use a service for ... https://tantek.com/t5Nk7 (twitter.com/_/status/1612327375433531393)
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[tantek] 74 hours until 7th anniversary of Webmention FPWD, 6th anniversary of Webmention REC. Congrats aaronpk! https://indieweb.org/timeline#January
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2023-01-12 12:02am PST (#7005)
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[tantek] [snarfed] do you know why the dashboard shows only one or a few items right after posting a new note? e.g. https://fed.brid.gy/user/tantek.com right now, and then when you click "Older" it similarly shows only 1-2 items. Keep clicking Older and notice there is only one item, the same item for several pages
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[snarfed] yeah ugly implementation detail leak into the UI
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[snarfed] more noticeable when you have many followers
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[snarfed] will file an issue
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[tantek] ohhhhh interesting, like separate delivery entries for different servers
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[snarfed] exactly
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[snarfed] thank you for the generous post btw! happy anniversary to Bridgy
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[tantek] well deserved!
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[pfefferle] happy birthday bridgy++ I couldn't remember that it was so old (started the work on the WordPress IndieWeb plugin nearly 10 years ago)
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@AdswiseDigital Bridgy #SocialMedia via http://twinybots.ch https://brid.gy/ (twitter.com/_/status/1612339120193290240)
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[snarfed] 😁
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[snarfed] btw [tantek] BF has gotten a few 500s from Falcon for https://tantek.com/2023/008/t7/bridgy-indieweb-posse-backfeed over the last 30m or so
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] 11 years ago today, Ryan Barrett (https://snarfed.org/ @schnarfed) launched Bridgy (https://brid.gy/) to copy #socialmedia replies as comments on original blog posts. This meant those of us building #IndieWeb sites could use a service for that funct...
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[tantek] that's odd [snarfed], I'm not doing anything user agent specific
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[tantek] and no one else has reported 500s
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[tantek] has BF gotten 500s for any other of my permalinks?
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[snarfed] I don't know offhand
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[snarfed] seems reproducible, I triggered it again just now
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[pfefferle] some recent changes by your hoster?
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[pfefferle] rate limits?
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[tantek] very odd. tried both FF & Safari and reload/shift-reload finishes in <2s
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[tantek] I wonder if there is something upstream at my host that is defending against specific IPs or UAs
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[tantek] DreamHost that is
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[snarfed] 500 would be an odd response for that. and it's been loading your posts fine so far
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@suzanne65623558 Bridgy #SocialMedia via http://twinybots.ch https://brid.gy/ (twitter.com/_/status/1612341468168847360)
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@MnkeniFrancis Bridgy #SocialMedia via http://twinybots.ch https://brid.gy/ (twitter.com/_/status/1612358303295619072)
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@kk12004 Bridgy #SocialMedia via http://twinybots.ch https://brid.gy/ (twitter.com/_/status/1612369770669641730)
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@mojitane Watching https://brid.gy/ crawl twitter mentions is quite satisfying. Also motivates to write and link more useful content as valid targets. (twitter.com/_/status/1612479339769253888)
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[0x3b0b] <[tantek]> "hey folks using Mastodon web..." <- The flowchart erroneously appears to suggest that if you're following `@hello` the post will appear in your Home timeline and *not* in Local or Federated, when in fact it might appear in all three (I think), but other than that it seems accurate both to my experience and to my understanding. I misunderstood part of it at one point, and didn't realize that having followed my website from my
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[0x3b0b] secondary account meant all my website posts would appear in that server's federated timeline even if I didn't boost myself.
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e-snail sorry if this is a noob question, but is the difference between Bridgy and Bridgy Fed wrt Mastodon that the former acts like a client and the latter acts like a server?
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[snarfed] e-snail basically yes. more at the top of https://fed.brid.gy/docs
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e-snail thanks!
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e-snail trying to learn django, so I'm back on the indieweb train after my previous aborted attempt at doing a static site version
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[snarfed] e-snail++
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Loqi e-snail has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (7 in all channels)
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e-snail feels the warm fuzzies
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[KevinMarks] “First off, ActivityPub does have a client-to-server API, but as far as I can tell, it’s not really worth implementing. Mastodon is the 800-pound gorilla in the fediverse, it doesn’t implement this API, and other servers (such as Pleroma and Misskey) implement their own flavor of Mastodon’s API” https://nolanlawson.com/2023/01/09/retiring-pinafore/
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sknebel not really news, is it? 🙈
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[snarfed] do *any* big fediverse servers support AP C2S?
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sknebel i'm not aware of any, period
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[snarfed] same
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sknebel like you have the choice between an API that a wide variety of clients exists for, and one that has (exactly or close to?) zero, so unless someone wants specifically toy with a concept that relies on it there's not really a reason to choose it
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [campegg] What is "Possibly Related Photos"?
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[campegg] c​apjamesg I'm guessing you're talking about the thumbnails that appear under a photo post on my site? 🙂 They're a random selection of photos from the same album as the main pic
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Ah. I thought you might have been doing some machine learning behind the scenes.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I just thought I'd check 😂
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gRegor This is odd, does leaving a Mastodon tab opened while logged in really keep sending API requests?? https://eilloh.net/posts/2023/01/08-ratelimited/
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[campegg] capjamesg Nothing that sophisticated 😆 (If the main photo doesn't belong to an album, I just show four random photos under the heading "Completely Unrelated Photos")
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [campegg] https://novacast.dev/u/jgb/images?query=orange+wall
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [edit] [campegg] https://novacast.dev/u/jgb/images?query=orange+wall
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Loqi [preview] Novacast Image Search for James Coffee Blog
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Loqi [preview] Novacast Image Search for James Coffee Blog
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[campegg] 🤔
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> My image search is powered by CLIP.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://github.com/openai/CLIP
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> It takes in a string and returns semantically related images.
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Loqi [preview] [openai] CLIP: Contrastive Language-Image Pretraining
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> (Note: the search bar is broken so you have to replace the ?query= in the url)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Replace "HOME_DIR" and "london" with a folder of images and a search query in this script and you have a working image search locally: https://github.com/capjamesg/vector-search/blob/main/clp.py
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> (after installing dependencies)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [edit] Replace "HOME_DIR" and "london" with a folder of images and a search query in this script and you have a working image search locally: https://github.com/capjamesg/vector-search/blob/main/clp.py
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Sorry, I may be overengineering this. I just love talking about semantic search 😂
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> (and how it can be used for recommendations, like images!)
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[campegg] capjamesg — that's really interesting… might have to have a bit of a play
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[campegg] capjamesg++
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Loqi capjamesg has 30 karma in this channel over the last year (84 in all channels)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> To bring it home, you can calculate the vector of an image and use that to do a search.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> So you could feed in a picture of a dog and it would give you other pictures of a dog.
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[KevinMarks] [Gregor] yes, if you have it open by default it's fetching new posts and updating the UI. you can switch it to slow mode and it should be less chatty
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[tantek] Interesting Tim Bray tootstorm about clients, are these good candidates for suggesting/requesting Micropub support? https://hachyderm.io/@timbray/109660492094748393
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Loqi [preview] [Tim Bray] 0/ I have 4 Mastodon clients on my Google Pixel. Thought I’d do a quick illustrated run-through. It’s going to take a bit of time to construct this thread, so I'll boost the 1/ post once I’ve finished, wait for that to come around again if you...
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> tootstorm?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> That's a thing?
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barnaby yes, unfortunately the “thread of short notes rather than a long-form post” format survived the jump from twitter to mastodon
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[tantek] I mean it’s not like Tim has his own site where he could post notes and update them or anything 😝
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btrem I need some help. I've switched (temporarily??) from macos to ubuntu. And damned if I can figure out how to set up my global git ignore file. Git ignores any patterns in `~/.config/git/ignore`. Is that the wrong location?
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[snarfed] btrem yeah you want `~/.gitignore`
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[snarfed] oh sorry no` that's `.gitconfig`. you were right, but other config may be overriding it. see https://git-scm.com/docs/gitignore#_description , "Patterns which a user wants Git to ignore..."
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btrem [snarfed] that tells me how to use patterns. But I'm using the correct patterns. It also explains how to change the default location of the global ignore file, but I have not changed it. At some point, I suppose I'll be doing a face palm. But not yet.
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[0x3b0b] y'all have got me wondering whether microblogpub has wound up with better AP C2S support than most AP servers...or possibly if the recent updates with improvements were actually improving Mastodon-flavored support instead. Not sure I'd be able to figure it out, myself.
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aaronpk ugh i'm not looking forward to this, wonder if i should just abandon twitter streaming search altogether https://twittercommunity.com/t/announcing-the-deprecation-of-v1-1-statuses-filter-endpoint/182960
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[snarfed] Yeah I was excited to migrate to Twitter API v2 mid 2022, but definitely not now
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