#dev 2023-01-26

2023-01-26 UTC
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[tantek] for dev folks interested in arguing details of UX, some interesting explorations / insights in this thread: https://twitter.com/AdhamDannaway/status/1618263510151995402
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@AdhamDannaway Which type of designer are you? 🤔 Vote for left or right aligned buttons in dialog boxes and explain why. #design #uidesign #uxdesign #uxui #productdesign #ux https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnU6FXnXkAI_Rgl.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1618263510151995402)
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[tantek] (also interesting distinction between which UX do you think would work better *for you* vs your peers / everyone else)
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[KevinMarks] Had great one on my phone. When it rings it has 2 buttons to accept or reject the call. After about 1 second it adds a "screen call' button inbetween them, moving the accept button to the right just as I am trying to click it.
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[schmarty] movingbuttons--
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Loqi movingbuttons has -1 karma over the last year
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[schmarty] Whattabout centered buttons? Justified with space-between??
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sknebel and alignment and side the highlighted button is on also arent the same
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sknebel (especially odd that the author argues in replies that Windows uses left-aligned... while also having posted a screenshot of a windows dialog clearly showing the usual Windows convention of right-aligned but defaul operation on the left :D
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[tantek] [schmarty] you mean like https://twitter.com/ciguleva/status/1618295624428064768
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@ciguleva @AdhamDannaway or 😀 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnVXSfFaMAM1t46.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1618295624428064768)
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] IndieWeberati?
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[schmarty] I was baited by the false dichotomy format. I'm imagining a terrible post like "Which kind of Twitter user are you? - Posting false dichotomies to beg for engagement. - Already left Twitter for Mastodon."
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[tantek] selfreferentialsarcasm++
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sknebel [schmarty]++ lol
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[KevinMarks] https://basta.substack.com/p/the-absolute-audacity-of-apple-podcasts
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[jeremycherfas] Glad I was never tempted.
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[tw2113_Slack_] dare I say...game changer? https://twitter.com/HenriHelvetica/status/1487143482783379456
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@HenriHelvetica For those keeping track, the famed FireBug tool launched v1.0 15yo ago this week. This transformational tool authored by @joehewitt, allowed for debugging a web page. In fact, it was the inspiration behind @RealWebPageTest. (thread) 🧵 2007 post: http://bit.ly/firebug-v1 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKNkQXqXIAIrthv.png (twitter.com/_/status/1487143482783379456)
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[tw2113_Slack_] I mean, looking at the original screenshots, there's still SO MUCH that we use today, that originated 15 years ago
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> Yup
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> Do people know _when_ Twitter starting showing how old an account was?
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> actually #indieweb-chat
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[KevinMarks] Hadn't seen this before https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/activitypub-client-to-server-faq/1941
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[aciccarello] So Pleroma implemented the API?
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[aciccarello] I appreciate the summary that this post offers
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[snarfed] "I considered pushing it on my own site...but I figured...getting easier interactions would be better"
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[snarfed] tell me you want Indieweb without telling me you want Indieweb
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[aciccarello] This might be a use case to push for micropub support in Mastodon https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/proposal-the-browser-as-a-client-with-a-new-web-standard-cross-instance-interactions-on-the-web/2806/9
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[tantek] +1
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[jacky] that post re: mastodon being heavy is a big reason why I'm trying to make the things I have _very_ self-contained
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[jacky] opting for flat-file _everything_ so backup's simple, a single small binary so no runtime libraries need to be fetched
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[jacky] like I think, especially nowadays, it _is_ a lot to ask to grab so many deps for stuff
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t0nic Self-containment is a good goal.
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t0nic Have you seen the work of Rekka & Devine, in particular their microlanguage uxn?
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t0nic https://100r.co/site/uxn.html
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> I haven't but I know this site from somewhere
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[schmarty] 100 rabbits' stuff heavily overlaps with indieweb principles.
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> oh this is _amazing_
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> I wish I had more time for hobbies 😭
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> because with the analogue pocket coming today (!!!!) I could see things being ported on there
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> has dreams
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t0nic I believe their is support for the pocket already; rekka mentions it sometimes on mastodon
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> wait really?!
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> I was looking for it at https://github.com/hundredrabbits/awesome-uxn#emulators
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Loqi [preview] [hundredrabbits] awesome-uxn: Awesome things from the community
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t0nic sorry, I was thinking the playdate
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> no worries
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> I almost got that but now I have too many devices lol
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t0nic anyone have any examples of people posting wine tastings to their blog?
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t0nic Would like to move off the app I use for that and am considering formatting
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/food
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t0nic snarfed++
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capjamesg What is wine?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wine" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "wine is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] What is drink?
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Loqi Food is a post type that represents eating or drinking particular food or drink https://indieweb.org/drink
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[tantek] wine is /food
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Loqi ok
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t0nic What is wine?
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Loqi Food is a post type that represents eating or drinking particular food or drink https://indieweb.org/wine
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t0nic Neat
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Wine is food?
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capjamesg t0nic You inspired me to add a random message to my home page: https://jamesg.blog/
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capjamesg (above the sparklines)
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[snarfed] mmm taxonomy q's, that way lie dragons
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t0nic nice capjamesg++
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capjamesg runs away from the taxonomy question
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[aciccarello] Apparently the wiki already answers the wine is food question 😆
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[aciccarello] https://indieweb.org/food#Are_drinks_really_food
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gRegor lol
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t0nic Alright, one more question for the foodies
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t0nic If I was to link to a site that lists wines from my blog, which site would be prefered?
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[snarfed] https://www.cellartracker.com/ is maybe the biggest and most used db, it's what I link to
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t0nic sweet, thanks
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t0nic My go-to's didn't have a clean way to submit a search, they obfuscate the form on submit
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capjamesg I am starting to generate screenshots for my site meta images.
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capjamesg https://github.com/capjamesg/screenshots
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capjamesg It's online.
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capjamesg https://screenshots.jamesg.blog/?url=https://jamesg.blog/2022/12/30/highlight-js/
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[aciccarello] Cool. I wonder if you could skip the header content for those
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sknebel capjamesg: certificate error
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sknebel gets a cert that doesnt have that domain yet
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capjamesg Hm.
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[aciccarello] Also saw the same cert error
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capjamesg Fixed.
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capjamesg https://screenshots.jamesg.blog/?url=https://jamesg.blog/2022/12/30/highlight-js
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capjamesg Now a bad gateway :facepalm:
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capjamesg Hopefully fixed now.
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sknebel yup
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capjamesg What is a screenshot?
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Loqi A screenshot is an image of a computer screen or a website https://indieweb.org/screenshot
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t0nic https://lagomor.ph/indieweb/20230126/1508-note/
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t0nic Not displeased with my formatting on this so fart
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t0nic * far
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Loqi [preview] Tenuta di CarleoneChianti Classico - 2019🇮🇹 Italy // Chianti Classico4/5"Very light nose of bubblegum and black fruit. Good acidity and body, fresh strawberries and old oak."
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capjamesg I _love_ this.
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capjamesg Do you have any coffee shop reviews you could post?
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capjamesg t0nic Fellow Club Penguin fan?
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t0nic capjamesg: not at the moment. Restaurant Reviews seem an inevitability but at the moment that's a seperate project altogether
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gRegor ooh, didn't know about listenbrainz.org, neat
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capjamesg t0nic I run a wiki for aggregating coffee shop reviews sent via Webmention and I'm always looking for more contributors :P
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gRegor what is breakfast and coffee
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Loqi Breakfast and Coffee is a wiki to which one can syndicate reviews of and information about breakfast and coffee stops published on their own website https://indieweb.org/Breakfast_and_Coffee
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t0nic Small world, I've seen this wiki before
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capjamesg :)
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t0nic indieauth accepts PGP keys, but doesn't follow the .well-known standard?
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t0nic That's odd
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aaronpk which well-known standard?
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aaronpk and do you mean indieauth.com?
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t0nic no, lol, I mean literally the .well-known standard
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t0nic https://wiki.gnupg.org/WKD
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t0nic But yes I mean for indieauth, it doesn't have WKD
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aaronpk well, .well-known has nothing to do with PGP itself, as it's a standard that talks about how to define .well-known paths https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5785
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aaronpk the WKD standard was created in 2016, approximately 4 years after indieauth.com had pgp support ;-) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-koch-openpgp-webkey-service/00/
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aaronpk so, that's probably why :D
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aaronpk also, WKD appears to be tied to the concept of user @ host, so doesn't really work for plain domains anyway
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t0nic Should the user of the plain domain not also already have an hcard that declares their name?
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t0nic As well you could just retrieve the hashed key for the plain domain, if a user chooses to put on there
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aaronpk indieauth identities are URLs, not user@host
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aaronpk so i don't really see how it makes sense to use a spec that's designed to turn a "user@host" into a URL to find a key
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aaronpk that's why indieauth.com and indielogin.com use rel=pgpkey to find the key given the indieauth profile URL
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t0nic I don't really see how it makes sense to rely on a rel tag that's not in any spec except the one listed on indielogin.com; it means the only people able to use indieauth are the ones who have actively tuned their website to do so
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aaronpk the rel value rel=pgpkey incidentally predates WKD by about 12 years
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t0nic Where? Cannot find it in any RFC docs
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aaronpk https://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
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aaronpk originally proposed in 2004 https://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/blog/archives/000320.html
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aaronpk another point of confusion here is that indielogin.com's and indieauth.com's use of rel=pgpkey have nothing to do with IndieAuth the spec. this is just one of the mechanisms that indielogin.com and indieauth.com provide as a way for the user to authenticate themselves to that site. it's not part of the indieauth spec of the user logging in to the thing that actually supports indieauth
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starrwulfe[m] capjamesg: still 502 for me
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@tmichellemoore I am taking a short break from Webmentions today. I have been reading a lot of articles and I found an application that I could install that would let me save articles. Day 19 of 100 #100DaysofIndieWeb, #IndieWeb, #ProjectJournal, #ProjectManagement… https://tmichellemoore.com/?p=152383 (twitter.com/_/status/1618746171832369155)
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capjamesg starrwulfe[m] something isn't quite working as expected.
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capjamesg Fixed!
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[tantek] t0nic, RFC docs have no bearing on HTML rel values. Those are defined by the HTML specification (WHATWG) which refers to the microformats existing-rel-values link above as the registry of record for additional values.
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starrwulfe[m] <capjamesg> "starrwulfe something isn't quite..." <- Yeeeeep, fixed!!
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capjamesg :D
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capjamesg I was missing two return statements :facepalm:
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starrwulfe[m] Not as bad as bad as my lack of a comma in an array the other day…
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[KevinMarks] Is that the return fn().then({}) thing? I do that every so often.
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capjamesg I was using express and sent a response w/ res.send() but didn't explicitly send a return, which it seems is needed unless you are at the end of a function associated with a route.
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