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@tmichellemoore Project Journal: IndieWeb Webmentions: Plan: https://tmichellemoore.com/?p=152300 (twitter.com/_/status/1618085295227805698)
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gRegor [aciccarello], there's a typo in your mf2, `u-rul` instead of `u-url`. I appreciate the vote of confidence, but u-url is better for the social readers to link to the original :)
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[aciccarello] Lol, thanks for figuring that out. I'll have to fix that soon. In TJ at the moment
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gRegor A think a u-author pointing to your homepage would show your h-card photo and name above the post too. I'm using Monocle.
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gRegor Cool
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[0x3b0b] Today I figured out how to edit a post on my site, did not figure out how to have my site federate or re-webmention the edited post, concluded that re-sending the webmention with curl or webmention.io or invoke-webrequest or something was probably simpler until actual edit support lands, and...I guess I pretty much moved...sideways?...in figuring out how I'm going to interact with Indieweb posts that have been federated or fediPOSSEd.
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[tantek] 0x3b0b, https://mention.tech/ is your friend for that. that's what I use to manually resend webmentions
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[0x3b0b] I'll keep that in mind if it comes up again. Webmention.io seemed like a good choice at the time.
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[tantek] they serve different purposes
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[tantek] webmention.io is for receiving
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[tantek] mention.tech is for sending
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[0x3b0b] Hm. Webmention.io did give me a form to tell it a source and target and then gave me a result indicating it succeeded, though. But yes, I can see that mention.tech is actually meant to work that way.
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[0x3b0b] Don't think microblogpub could really do without including a link to the Bridgy Fed redirect for an IndieWeb post that uses Bridgy Fed and still have things thread correctly, though.
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[tantek] thread correctly where? on your site? you don't have a need for that. on the other site? it doesn't either, it can handle Webmention directly
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vikanezrimaya writing a crate for JF2 right now... i hate JF2 so much 🤮
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vikanezrimaya the fact that a field could be both an array of arbitrary things OR a singular arbitrary thing is a little bit confusing
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vikanezrimaya Thankfully Rust can encode that using an enum with one of its members having a recursive definition
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vikanezrimaya Microsub-related question: if a post does not have a `dt-published`, how should it get sorted into the feed? Should I use the date the post was first seen at as a sort key?
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sknebel sounds like a reasonable fallback
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vikanezrimaya Does it make sense for a Microsub server to treat JF2 properties parsed from MF2-HTML as "untrusted"? For example, assume `published` may fail to parse as ISO8601
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vikanezrimaya Since the Microsub standard actually mandates storing things as JF2, it might be problematic to actually let the database interpret the JF2 data as, well, *anything* other than string, since JF2 types are mostly strings
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vikanezrimaya Alternatively, it could be said that "invalid" values must be pruned on normalization when converting from MF2-HTML to JF2
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[KevinMarks] Mention.tech receives as well (it does pass through sending while keeping a record itself) so in theory it could be useful for sending webmentions to places that don't support them yet. In practice I need to maintain it more but there's a lot of pent up yakshaving with python and AppEngine versions
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[KevinMarks] That is probably worth a spec issue. One thing to be careful of is turning mf2 dates into simple datetime elements, as they can represent a pure date with no time, or even a date with no year (eg for a birthday). So you're making a choice about which bit of the code gets to deal with that.
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@tmichellemoore I looked at a few videos to understand how to create a custom block pattern to hold my RSVP webmention. You can do this “from scratch” or use a plugin. I would like to do this from scratch but am not sure if I can maintain it. The steps below summarize… https://tmichellemoore.com/?p=152430 (twitter.com/_/status/1619728171921719299)
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[0x3b0b] <[tantek]> "thread correctly where? on..." <- The end result feels to me like the rough equivalent of making my POSSE tweet a quote-tweet instead of a reply. I also felt that it was in keeping with the example of https://tantek.com/2023/008/t1/ , although on further consideration I can see how it's not exactly the same.
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] https://crowdersoup.com/ (@CrowderSoup@hachyderm.io) glad to hear it and congrats on starting your #100DaysOfIndieWeb project! I added you to the list on the #IndieWeb wiki: * https://indieweb.org/100_days#2023 Keep up the good work!
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