#dev 2023-03-13

2023-03-13 UTC
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prologic tbh I don't even understand federation at all nor the whole S2S side of Activity Pub
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prologic Or even why I'd even implement it
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aaronpk 🤔 the only useful part of activitypub is the S2S part
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aaronpk that's how you send and receive posts from other people
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Ruxton_ soooo question.. I moved my site to a new domain, is the accepted process to move my user wiki page with a redirect also?
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aaronpk that'd work i guess
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Ruxton_ ok that moves the page, but doesnt rename the user, is it even possible to rename the user?
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gRegorLove_ signing in with your new domain will create the new User: page
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Ruxton_ ahh yeas but I want all my edits to come with me
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Ruxton_ not a new user
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gRegor they won't unfortunately
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Ruxton_ what are teh chances of getting https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser on the wiki? we should have a process for when people move domains that doesnt involve making a new user
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aaronpk I am not sure about the other implications of installing that, currently there is no concept of moving edit histories between accounts
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gRegor Not sure, but probably any extension is going to require some customizing to work with IndieAuth
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[tantek] ^ -> #indieweb-meta
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[tantek] [snarfed] gRegor this looks of interest to gathering data on making hashtags work from BF -> Mastodon: https://github.com/bookwyrm-social/bookwyrm/pull/2524#Fediverse
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gRegor ooh
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[tantek] via #indieweb-stream
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[tantek] the example in this comment looks like a key! https://github.com/bookwyrm-social/bookwyrm/pull/2524#issuecomment-1438789816
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gRegor Was definitely tried :/
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[tantek] hmm
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gRegor unless type, href, and name *have* to be in that order? No idea, haha. JSON objects aren't ordered though, iirc
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[tantek] note the '#' *is* part of the 'name'
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gRegor Nice that it's in python, [snarfed] can probably figure out what they did easily
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[tantek] ```"name": "#BookWyrm"```
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gRegor Yep, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/45#issuecomment-1445257933
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[tantek] and the link
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Loqi [preview] [gRegorLove] @snarfed Hm, did any tests include the same hashtag in the content? Maybe Mastodon is matching it, since they link the hashtags in the HTML view? Like: > Testing with #typehashtag With `tag` object: ```json { "type": "Hashtag", "...
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[tantek] note the HTML has a hyperlink around the hashtag
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[tantek] plain text "with #typehashtag" is insufficient
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[tantek] looks like
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[tantek] you need "with <a href='hashtaglink'>#typehashtag</a>"
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[tantek] Masto won't add the link
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[tantek] but it will update an existing link around the hashtag to point to the local instance
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gRegor interesting
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[tantek] that's my theory anyway for why your example didn't "do anything" and the example in that PR did
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gRegor yeah the hachyderm.io AS2 earlier in the BF issue has the HTML link matching the tag object, would make sense.
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[tantek] tempted to use indieweb.org URLs as auto-links for my hashtags
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[tantek] and then create the wiki pages as necessary with IndieWeb relevance 😂
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[tantek] trusting the community to author/curate accordingly
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gRegor Haha, could end up with some odd wiki pages based on some of my hashtags 😂
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[tantek] might also do Wikipedia as a default
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gRegor Added those bookwyrm links to the BF issue
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prologic aaronpk: Oh did I get confused with C2S? 🤦‍♂️
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@ShreyanJ9 ↩️ Oh yeah definitely. BlueSky should both accept IndieAuth as a signin method and work as an IndieAuth provider – especially since usernames are domain names anyways. And of course hopefully eventually they’ll interoperate with ActivityPub, Micropub, etc…… https://shreyanjain.net/?p=130 (twitter.com/_/status/1635156421934460929)
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@eniehack そういえば、blog.eniehack\.net は webmention という規格に対応しているので http://brid.gy 経由で Twitter などから記事ページに反応がフィードバックされます (twitter.com/_/status/1635158856841179137)
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@eniehack こういうのに対応してるとやっぱりwebmentionのendpointほしいな〜になす (twitter.com/_/status/1635159190145761281)
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@eniehack そういえば、blog.eniehack\.net は webmention という規格に対応しているので http://brid.gy 経由で Twitter などから記事ページに反応がフィードバックされます (twitter.com/_/status/1635158856841179137)
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GWG [tantek]: I'm almost positive it has come up
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GWG The thing from meta
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[tantek] Is there an issue for it? IndieAuth identity migration?
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GWG Can't find one...so probably needs more research
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[tantek] Why? The use-case from Ruxton_ seems sufficient to file a spec issue.
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[tantek] Or two
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[tantek] How to handle redirects better
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[tantek] How to explicitly migrate an IndieAuth identity
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aaronpk i don't think this is a spec issue, but the spec could mention the possibility of doing so
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aaronpk but there's nothing in the spec that would change in order to support this kind of migration
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[tantek] it is a spec issue because it is something we want to be interoperable
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[tantek] between IdPs and RPs
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[tantek] it's not about "nothing in the spec that would change in order to support this kind of migration" it's about making "this kind of migration" *dependable* no matter what implementation/service you use
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[tantek] may vs should/must
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aaronpk the spec already has the bits that talk about the redirects
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[tantek] it has some yes, but it could have more, for better interop, that's the point
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GWG I meant I recall that we discussed it, research findings prior discussions
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[TMichelleMoore] Thank you [tantek] re: h-cards. I know what I want on the homepage. It’s the blog pages: I just want it like in all of the examples I see of you card, name, URL, maybe photo. Not all of the stuff on the homepage.
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[tantek] sure, permalinks and home pages are different
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[aciccarello] capjamesg I was looking at these CSS properties https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Logical_Properties/Basic_concepts
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[tantek] does anyone here know the origin of "coding bootcamps"? it feels like another unnecessary use of a military metaphor. Not clear from the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coding_bootcamp
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[tantek] has anyone here participated in one and have firsthand experience?
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capjamesg [tantek] Read the references :)
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[tantek] lol capjamesg that's you!
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aaronpk haha whoa
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capjamesg -> #chat
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capjamesg aaronpk QuartzDB's file structure is interesting.
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capjamesg Why do you have the timestamps outside the JSON?
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aaronpk they act as the record identifier
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aaronpk and each line is one record rather than the whole file being a JSON document
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aaronpk so you can parse them line by line, and you can also query ranges without parsing the JSON
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577430886350869/1084970938589773975/Screenshot_2023-03-13_at_22.46.45.png
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492>
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> aaronpk Evidently, my parsing logic was off ^
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> 😂
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aaronpk lol oops
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [aciccarello] That is the reason my bot doesn't know about my pizza preferences ^
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I have a rule that excludes all Sources that contain "{" to hide those broken URLs.
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[aciccarello] haha, I look forward to asking smarter James Bot all your preferences
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capjamesg Let me remove that rule.
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capjamesg Any progress on this? https://jamesg.blog/bot/prompt/b5b52171-1a6d-4eea-a76b-6e030eae876c
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capjamesg (sorry about the broken link -- that's a big task to fix)
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[tantek] capjamesg, remember when you didn't understand the point of having a Universal Outbox? If it's not obvious by now, that's exactly what you would use to train your own personal chatbot
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[tantek] It's a superset of what you're already doing "all blog posts and what you said in chat"
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aaronpk Nice