#dev 2023-03-24

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[snarfed] I'd love to see that bridged to Slack!
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[tantek] -> #indieweb-meta
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[tantek] 5.5 days until Social Web Incubation Community Group informal meeting 2023-03-29 10am PDT per https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swicg/2023Mar/0124.html
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2023-03-29 5:45am PDT (#7021)
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[tantek] close enough
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Good morning IndieWeb!
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@amami_hara test webmention https://thaddeusjiang.com (twitter.com/_/status/1639201985219162113)
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capjamesg What is the best way to stream audio live?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "best way to stream audio live" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "best way to stream audio live is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk Icecast I think
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aaronpk What is Icecast
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Icecast" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Icecast is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk i thought we did
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aaronpk What is radio?
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Loqi radio is what was killed by video https://indieweb.org/radio
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aaronpk Well there are actually useful links on that page lol
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sknebel just FYI, if you see errors when accessing github from git, they had to change their host key because they accidentially published the private key
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[schmarty] their statement: https://github.blog/2023-03-23-we-updated-our-rsa-ssh-host-key/
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> oh icecast looks easy enough to use tbh from barnaby's article
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capjamesg I'm having a lot of trouble with it.
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capjamesg It worked on HTTP, but getting SSL/TLS set up is a pain.
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> what proxy server are you using? (nginx, traefix, caddy, apache, etc)
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capjamesg nginx
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capjamesg I can't figure it out.
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sknebel what issue are you seeing?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> The stream isn’t working.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> The data seems to be going up to the server, but I get a bad content type and the stream drops out.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Icecast registers the stream, but I can’t listen to it.
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sknebel are you also trying to send the data trhough the proxy, or is it only on the listener side?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I think everything goes through the proxy?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I could have it run in a different port so that it doesn’t conflict with nginx?
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sknebel one thing to check would be to turn off all buffering in nginx
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sknebel since its all streaming, nginx trying to wait for something to be completely transmitted wont work
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sknebel (I think generally its recommended to let icecast handle HTTPS itself too)
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[snarfed] oh wow, interesting, if you join a W3C group, you get added to its mailing list, and you can't unsubscribe unless you leave the group
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[tantek] community group presumably?
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[snarfed] whatever swicg is
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[tantek] yes it's a cg
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[tantek] huh, that's annoying
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[tantek] I mean the auto-join makes sense from a usability/common use-case perspective but unsubbing should be independent of group membership
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[snarfed] ideally yeah. guess that's a policy q
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[snarfed] not a big deal
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[schmarty] i wrote a filter to have those bypass my inbox :}
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> same, the proverbial "Mailing Lists" folder and filter lol
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> (mumbles) pipe newsletters into a reader so I can read and reply there
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[snarfed] jacky you have a [social] reader that sends replies as emails?!
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gRegor hah, was just coming here to see if there was an opt-out or a digest option. A simple filter works though.
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[snarfed] it's only been a day and the damn mailing list has already successfully nerd sniped me 😆
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[snarfed] conneg << https://snarfed.org/49619-2
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Loqi ok, I added "https://snarfed.org/49619-2" to the "See Also" section of /conneg https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87138&oldid=86190
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[tantek] I auto-file as well. and whoa it kinda blew up in the past few days
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[tantek] that's not normal (you can check the archives)
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[tantek] related, this report may be of interest to folks https://fediversereport.com/mozfest-and-the-fediverse/
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[tantek] lol reading https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swicg/2023Mar/ just for Ryan's emails
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[snarfed] oh no
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[manton] [snarfed] Good post. 👍 (I’m mostly lurking on the mailing list so far…)
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[manton] I’ve gone out of my way to not require conneg anywhere in Micro.blog except in one place where it can’t be avoided (actor URL requests).
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[snarfed] thanks!
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[manton] Wondering… How many ActivityPub implementations actually use a JSON-LD parser? I would expect very few, but I’m too lazy to look through source code right now. 🙂
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[manton] (I just use a regular JSON parser and ignore everything in @context.)
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[KevinMarks] That was a goal of the spec (not requiring LD)
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[manton] Nice. I think that’s a good goal.
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angelo the SWICG mailing list has 267 messages in 5 months and only one mention of IndieWeb specs, from yesterday: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swicg/2023Mar/0145.html
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angelo is this the SWICG picking up after a failed maintainership of ActivityPub?
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[tantek] There's lots of indirect discussion of IndieWeb things across the list. Searching for spec mentions is not an accurate method of assessing topic interest.
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[tantek] And also that, AP/AS maintenance got dropped on the floor. There's the social hub where folks have tried reaching consensus on fixes & improvements
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angelo i joined the list 5 messages in and have read them all as they've come in.
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capjamesg I can't sign in...
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capjamesg "Your access to this site has been temporarily limited by the site owner"
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[tantek] are you able to join the W3C IRC?
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capjamesg Will try.
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capjamesg Nope.
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capjamesg I can from the web.
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capjamesg From my IRC client, I get "ERROR :Access denied: Bad password?": fatal server error: Access denied: Bad password?"
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[tantek] There's no auth on the W3C IRC server
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[tantek] Turn that off
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[tantek] Or rather don't enter your W3C user/pw into your IRC client
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capjamesg I don't think my client can handle that...
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[tantek] Just nickname. No password
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[tantek] Your IRC client shouldn't require IDENT or any such services
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[tantek] NICKSERV etc
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[tantek] Uncheck those options for W3C IRC
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[tantek] We should debug IRC in #indieweb-meta
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Loqi I agree
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[tantek] Separately, I'd encourage all indieweb devs to fill out this front end dev survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScJrqcx5xB5kk9FQiBwNkX4ryaE-74G5PdfDX9-owZjrcs88w/viewform
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capjamesg [snarfed]++ for making me laugh.
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capjamesg This is the perfect photo for the article: https://snarfed.org/2023-03-24_49619-2
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Loqi [preview] [Ryan Barrett] Content negotiation considered harmful https://snarfed.org/matilda-used-car-salesman-harry-wormwood.jpg
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[snarfed] :trollface:
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capjamesg I like conneg.
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capjamesg How else will I know that someone wants a Linux manual version of pages on my site?
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[snarfed] :trollface:
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[aciccarello] I love the image selection too snarfed++
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[KevinMarks] I like the file extension approach to conneg (with follow your nose rel=alternate)
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/grouping-content.html#the-search-element
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[tantek] yeah it looks like a good thing to me (search element)
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capjamesg Is this new?
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[tantek] yes, very
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capjamesg [tantek] What is the best way to find out about new HTML elements?
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[tantek] follow the WHATWG HTML spec repo issues
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capjamesg Wow.
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[tantek] you may have to filter a bit
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