#dev 2023-05-19

2023-05-19 UTC
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vladimyr Spotted interesting bsky tool: https://bluestream.deno.dev/
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vladimyr Generates rss feed of given bsky handle
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vladimyr https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbluestream.deno.dev%2Fpfrazee.com
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shreyanjain[m] cool, i'll probably still use bsky.link's mf2 feed
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shreyanjain[m] but rss support is good
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vladimyr https://elk.zone/mastodon.social/@davew/110312891261193423 /users/ are asking for it :D
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vladimyr shreyanjain: you gave me an idea of throwing granary into the mix and getting rss out of bsky.link
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vladimyr Result is kinda messy
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vladimyr https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgranary.io%2Furl%3Finput%3Dhtml%26output%3Drss%26url%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fbsky.link%252Ffeed%253Fuser%253Dpfrazee.com
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vladimyr Compared to bluestream's output
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shreyanjain[m] the differences are mostly aesthetic
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shreyanjain[m] i do notice granary is faster though
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shreyanjain[m] personally i have a slight preference for bluestream
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vladimyr Um, to make comparison more fair I've included raw reposts https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbluestream.deno.dev%2Fpfrazee.com%3Frepost%3Dinclude
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[snarfed] vladimyr you may also be interested in https://bluesky-atom.appspot.com/
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shreyanjain[m] ah, that's another nice concept
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vladimyr Thanks [snarfed]! I was wondering who made that thing until I saw the link to source :D
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vladimyr Any chance to lift the password requirement?
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[snarfed] you need it to get your feed
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[snarfed] (bluesky-atom's feed is posts from everyone you follow, not just your posts)
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vladimyr Oh right 🤦 whole personal timeline to rss
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Bsky.link offers profile level RSS feeds
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://bsky.link/feed?user=jamesg.blog
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vladimyr capjamesg: umm I somehow managed to miss it both in the code and in the browser but it is totally on me 🤦
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vladimyr Oh now I get it! I saw alternate application/rss+xml link tucked inside html, previewed it in monocle and called it a day
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vladimyr But when I went back inside code I couldn't find how and where did you generate that xml
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vladimyr Because it doesn't really exist 🙃
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vladimyr https://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbsky.link%2Ffeed%3Fuser%3Djamesg.blog
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vladimyr Monocle showed me mf2 feed
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vladimyr Sure one could use granary or whatever mf2 to rss bridge is available but real rss feeds are not provided out of the box
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vladimyr So I suggest you to drop that alternate link from the template cause if folks are using autodiscovery to find rss/atom feed they'll end up subscribing to incompatible source
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [KevinMarks] Should we noindex bsky.link?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Granary should parse the mf2 and turn it into RSS?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I haven't tested this since our recent template changes; perhaps this feature has broken?
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sknebel capjamesg: but you dont provide a granary link
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Oh what haha.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Whoops.
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vladimyr Which is why I used granary links in my earlier experimentation 🙃
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I forgot to put the granary URL in there 🤦
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> If anyone wants to file a PR, the file is: https://github.com/capjamesg/bsky.link/blob/main/views/feed.njk
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Otherwise I'll get to it later today.
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vladimyr Might do it later on, I'm on currently on mobile
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vladimyr That being said it would be really nice to use some npm rss/jsonfeed package and generate feed directly to avoid whole bluesky api to html to granary intermediate repr to feed output
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vladimyr *that whole dance
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vladimyr Maybe using https://github.com/jpmonette/feed
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vladimyr Plus some info gets lost in the conversion
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vladimyr Compare mf2 feed parse output https://xray.p3k.app/parse?pretty=true&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbsky.link%2Ffeed%3Fuser%3Djamesg.blog
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vladimyr With granary's generated rss feed parse output https://xray.p3k.app/parse?pretty=true&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgranary.io%2Furl%3Finput%3Dhtml%26output%3Drss%26url%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fbsky.link%252Ffeed%253Fuser%253Djamesg.blog
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vladimyr Namely author.url
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vladimyr [capjamesg]: [KevinMarks]: just saw this Dave Winer's tweet (opportunity for promotion 🙃) https://nitter.nl/davewiner/status/1657013680674938881 and it turns out that bsky.link fails to resolve did
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vladimyr Original attempt: https://bsky.link/?show_thread=on&url=https://staging.bsky.app/profile/did:plc:oety7qbfx7x6exn2ytrwikmr/post/3jvju7twmk22d
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vladimyr After I guessed handle: https://bsky.link/?show_thread=on&url=https://staging.bsky.app/profile/davew.bsky.social/post/3jvju7twmk22d
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Loqi [preview] There was an error fetching data from Bluesky. Connection problem, try reloading
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Can you share the link with his handle in that thread? 😄
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> We do need to add DID resolution.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I'll note that down.
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vladimyr Also lazyweb question, is there a quick way to convert from did to handle? 🤔
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I have a Python package with a method for this.
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vladimyr capjamesg: I would but I don't have bsky account :D
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> https://github.com/capjamesg/pyatproto/blob/main/src/pyatproto/atproto.py#L409
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Here: https://bsky.social/xrpc/com.atproto.identity.resolveHandle?handle=jamesg.blog
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Oh, wait. That's handle to DID.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Em...
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[KevinMarks] Tread carefully with DW
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vladimyr That's cool but I actually meant in opposite direction, yeah 🙃
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I haven't build this!
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> *built
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [KevinMarks]? Maybe in #chat?
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vladimyr Let it be? :D https://bsky.link/?show_thread=on&url=https://staging.bsky.app/profile/davew.bsky.social/post/3jvjut7ksid2u
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vladimyr Regardless of DW's finicky persona this actually pointed me to another possible improvement, it would be nice to leverage id fragments to autoscroll to linked post in thread mode?
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vladimyr FWIW they found a /solution/ http://scripting.com/2023/05/15.html#a132038
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vladimyr capjamesg: there is atproto /awesomelist/ you could submit bsky.link to: https://github.com/andryou/at-is-where-its-at
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Loqi [preview] [andryou] at-is-where-its-at: A collection of AT Protocol projects
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capjamesg vladimyr https://bsky.link/getfeed?handle=https://staging.bsky.app/profile/did:plc:6wwzaz5n4ordx762esmflyhx/
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capjamesg :)
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capjamesg [KevinMarks] Do you want to add your name to the bsky.link footer?
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vladimyr capjamesg: wow 🎉 👍
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[KevinMarks] Can do - I'm afk for the rest of the day, but happy for you to add me
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[tantek] capjamesg, is there a need for bsky.link to have to specify things like feed?user= ? i.e. presumably you can detect whether a URL is to a profile or a permalink and then automatically do the right thing. I.e. bsky.link/jamesg.blog should "just work"
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[tantek] I can also file an issue for that if you prefer 🙂
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vladimyr Assuming that in future there will be more homeservers to pick from maybe it is good idea to include bsky.app as part of bsky.link generated url
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vladimyr bsky.link/bsky.app/profile/james.blog ?
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vladimyr Essentially just strip /^ href="https://(?:staging.)?/" target="_blank">https://(?:staging.)?/ prefix
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[jacky] this project looks cool https://bonfirenetworks.org/
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [tantek] File an issue 🙂
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vladimyr I'd x-ray it but demo instance is so slow it simply times out https://campground.bonfire.cafe/post/01GZ8CZE0EECH6EQ8FXWAFAZFT#activity-01H0SCPEART78BCN0KZ6DRRZ39
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vladimyr Couldn't find mf2 in curl output
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vladimyr Apparently supports activitypub https://podcast.thinkingelixir.com/136
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vladimyr Yup, this is what I got back asking for activitypub resource https://ttm.sh/WVt.jpeg
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[KevinMarks] bsky.link << https://bsky.link/?show_thread=on&url=https://bsky.app/profile/kevinmarks.com/post/3jvx7ul32ff2c
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Loqi ok, I added "https://bsky.link/?show_thread=on&url=https://bsky.app/profile/kevinmarks.com/post/3jvx7ul32ff2c" to the "See Also" section of /bsky.link https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87875&oldid=87867
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[tantek] ^ that's pretty cool, looks like Loqi was able to extract the mf2 from that bsky.link URL and add the contents directly to the wiki
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[tantek] bsky.link++
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Loqi bsky.link has 1 karma over the last year
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[KevinMarks] That's what I hoped would happen
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I love it.
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vladimyr Does anyone have any bsky invites left? I'd like to contribute to bsky.link but don't have set of credentials to play with 🙃
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> vladimyr I don't have any 😢
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vladimyr capjamesg: no worries I can always blindly flatten some promise chains :D
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[snarfed] vladimyr I can give you one. I'm not on IRC, how do you want me to send it?
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vladimyr [snarfed]: thanks, does email work for you? vladimyr@ctrl-c.club
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vladimyr Or you can grab my gmail from my github.com/vladimyr profile
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capjamesg [KevinMarks] I have put your domain in the footer locally; will deploy later.
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capjamesg Any mf2.link feature requests?
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vladimyr [snarfed]: scratch that just learned that my ctrl-c pubnix access got terminated as part of making disc space for new users...
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vladimyr And I'm already getting enough spam so let's invite some more spammers d.vladimyr@gmail.com 🙃
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[snarfed] sent!
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vladimyr Thanks! Today simply isn't my day though https://ttm.sh/WVW.jpeg
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capjamesg Eek.
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vladimyr Best part I have no idea what did server actually return...
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capjamesg Would anyone use a GitHub contribution sparkline generator?
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vladimyr xrpc literally returned: {"error":"InternalServerError","message":"Internal Server Error"} 💯
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bkil At least you got a consistent response. I've seen worse on other API. 🤭
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[KevinMarks] James, did you see https://bsky.link/?show_thread=on&hide_parent=on&url=https://bsky.app/profile/hex.ooo/post/3jvysb2ymns2l
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vladimyr +1 on consistency side, native app gave me same treatment
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capjamesg No.
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capjamesg Should we noindex pages [KevinMarks]?
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[tantek] new rel=me implementation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RealMe
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[tantek] rel-me << MediaWiki extension implementation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RealMe
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Loqi ok, I added "MediaWiki extension implementation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RealMe" to the "See Also" section of /rel-me https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87888&oldid=87567
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[tantek] rel-me << ^ https://wikis.world/@wikipedia/110396865170645710
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Loqi ok, I added "^ https://wikis.world/@wikipedia/110396865170645710" to the "See Also" section of /rel-me https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=87889&oldid=87888
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capjamesg Yessss!!!
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capjamesg rel=me++
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capjamesg relme++
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Loqi relme has 1 karma over the last year
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aaronpk oh wow
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[tantek] now trying to do it on my WP user: page — it's not obvious
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aaronpk huh yeah i don't get it
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aaronpk is it supposed to be live on wikipedia.org right now?
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[tantek] it is live!
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[tantek] view source on my User: page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tantek and find the rel="me" link :D
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk how'd you do that? I don't see an edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tantek&action=history
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aaronpk ohhh it's in the account settings
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[tantek] yes I put the step by step instructions in https://indieweb.org/rel-me#Wikipedia
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[tantek] since it wasn't obvious
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aaronpk nice
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vladimyr Fun starts now 🎉 https://bsky.link/feed?user=vladimyr.bsky.social
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capjamesg Welcome to bsky!
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capjamesg Any and all contributions are welcome!
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vladimyr Thanks, I'll give my best!
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[tantek] capjamesg, you could add https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RealMe to breakfastand.coffee
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capjamesg Yep!
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capjamesg 2 mins.
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capjamesg Oh no haha.
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capjamesg I need to upgrade the wiki first.
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capjamesg I'll add it to my TODOs.
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capjamesg aaronpk How do you keep the IndieWeb wiki up to date?
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[KevinMarks] If we do noindex that spoils the point of link previews - they won't be fetched
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[tantek] why would you do noindex?
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capjamesg Oh...
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capjamesg I didn't want Google to index all the posts as ours.
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capjamesg Or maybe it wont be a problem when Bluesky has open web clients.
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rubenwardy use canonical
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[schmarty] bluesky posts kinda don't _have_ a canonical URL
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[tantek] ^ yes, put rel=canonical on the bsky-app link so search engines know to treat that as "more" canonical, however they won't find any content there, so they'll index the bsky.link "preview" instead, which is fine
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[tantek] [schmarty] however in the context of a bsky.link URL, there *is* a http://bsky.app link as a parameter so that can be linked to as a canonical
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[schmarty] yeah it's weird that there are _technically_ URLs but they give a 200 response with a login form instead of content.
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[tantek] lol I have to add .world due to Wikipedia's @-@
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[schmarty] ooh nice to see they are at least actually serving `http://bsky.app` links. a week or two ago those were 404s while the "real" URLs were on `http://staging.bsky.app`
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[tantek] tfw you have update a library before you can publish your post
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gRegor ^ was very confused until I got to the hashtags
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[KevinMarks] Is there a way to say to index the current page but not crawl they outbound links from it? now we are linking the posts and users, it is a spider ready site.
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aaronpk isn't that rel=nofollow?
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] lol literally ^
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aaronpk or this https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2007/03/using-robots-meta-tag
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aaronpk `<meta name="robots" content="nofollow" />`
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[tantek] do you want it to nofollow all links?
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[jacky] Interesting post about making AP support E2EE messaging https://evanp.me/2023/05/19/end-to-end-encrypted-messages-over-activitypub/
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aaronpk oh no evan 🙈 "I think a simple Offer activity with a public key object should manage the process pretty well"
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aaronpk (re key management)
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[jacky] TOFU as TOFA
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[jacky] hmm maybe TOFO (Trust on First Offer)
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aaronpk nothing about key management is simple
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[tantek] indeed
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[KevinMarks] [capjamesg] - the meta nofollow may be a good idea, if you are worried about spidering