#dev 2023-08-25

2023-08-25 UTC
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aaronpk i'm really tempted to turn off all pingback support in webmention.io
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aaronpk i'm looking at the logs while i'm debugging things and the amount of spam is out of control
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GWG aaronpk: You could also turn it off by default to start and require some express action to enable it
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rubenwardy what percentage is spam and what isn't?
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GWG But not sure there's a benefit to incrementalism
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rubenwardy If webmentions becomes a widely accepted standard, you'll end up in the same situation
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sknebel GWG: you need to add the pingback header to a site to enable it already
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GWG Good point. Take it out of the instructions?
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aaronpk it's already deprioritized in the instructions now, rather than being in the default thing you copy and paste
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sknebel and yeah, rubenwardy has a point, it might be a good experimental base for working on spam filters :D
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk this makes no sense, I'm getting a weird database error on an API call, but only after the app has been running for a few seconds. the first few calls work fine after just starting the app
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aaronpk hmm something must be changing a setting on the SQL connection
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[snarfed] from #indieweb, re https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/11247 , they don't mention the AS2 vocab they'll use, and I don't actually see any obvious AS2 activity types in https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#extendedtypes
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[snarfed] ah, they say they'll use ForgeFed's vocab extension: https://forgefed.org/spec/
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Loqi [preview] [Alice Doe] ForgeFed
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[jacky] placing this in dev b/c I'm thinking about this both from a UX and coding perspective:
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[jacky] so https://github.com/indieweb/micropub-extensions/issues/40 is still experimental but there's a behavior I'd like to confirm/see: if one were to delete a channel, what would happen to all of the resources associated to that channel? does one have an idea of a "default" channel that these can get reallocated to?
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Loqi [jacky]: vikanezrimaya left you a message on 2023-07-22 at 9:31pm UTC: I think I figured out the microformats-parser#7 — `resolve_implied_name` is called way too early, when no items sufficient to suppress implied property detection are parsed yet! The invocation should be somehow moved far later, at the end of parsing
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Loqi [jacky]: vikanezrimaya left you a message on 2023-07-22 at 9:39pm UTC: ...or maybe the function is just called twice. I commented out a second invocation at line 404 and the test passed. Including the rest of the test suite (except one failure with dates that was already present)
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Loqi [jacky]: vikanezrimaya left you a message on 2023-07-22 at 9:51pm UTC: https://gitlab.com/maxburon/microformats-parser/-/merge_requests/6
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Loqi [jacky]: vikanezrimaya left you a message on 2023-07-22 at 9:39pm UTC: ...or maybe the function is just called twice. I commented out a second invocation at line 404 and the test passed. Including the rest of the test suite (except one failure with dates that was already present)
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Loqi [jacky]: vikanezrimaya left you a message on 2023-07-22 at 9:51pm UTC: https://gitlab.com/maxburon/microformats-parser/-/merge_requests/6
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[jacky] oh that's AWESOME, vikanezrimaya
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vikanezrimaya jacky: hey! I think my bouncer is not showing the full history, must be a glitch, but looking at the pushes I can assume you just got the messages I sent you some time ago lol
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[jacky] haha yeah
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[jacky] sorry for not being more active; union stuff at work has been _eating_ my free time
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[jacky] will review and merge this in!
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vikanezrimaya ooh, unions? unions are important
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[jacky] that I agree 🙂
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[jacky] *on that, I agree
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vikanezrimaya I wish I was in a union, tho my work conditions are already great
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[jacky] even more reason to have one; so that you don't _lose_ good conditions
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[jacky] but #-chat 🙂
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vikanezrimaya more on-topic: glad you can finally find some time to review and merge it. I hope that I did not break anything. we surely need more tests around the parser
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vikanezrimaya clearly the official test suite is incomplete
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[jacky] that I agree and I'm hoping to contribute more of that upstream
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[jacky] the ability to pull from the shared test cases is really handy here for that
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vikanezrimaya so good that mf2 is a really standardized format, either some HTML with classes or JSON. I guess it shouldn't be hard to extend the official test suite with the cases we found?...
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[jacky] not at all; just a PR to https://github.com/microformats/tests
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Loqi [preview] [microformats] tests: Microformats test suite
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[KevinMarks] Stares in AppEngine https://mastodon.social/@Rhodium103/110950432040895451
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vikanezrimaya jacky: re micropub channels deletion: while I've never deleted channels on my website, in Kittybox whenever a channel (i.e. an h-feed object is deleted), the feed disappears, and whatever posts were there stay in other feeds they were added to, or become effectively unlisted (but permalinks remain active)
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vikanezrimaya I think this is reasonable, since permalinks are sacred
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vikanezrimaya I don't think deleting a feed should cascade to deleting all the posts in the feed
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vikanezrimaya and I believe leaving orphaned links is fine, because they can be still traced via permalinks or in the database (I should definitely build better tools for exploring the database, especially considering I have an abstraction over the storage backend)
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[jacky] excellent point! I think my challenge is that my content would partly derive its URL _based_ on the channel it's in
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[jacky] but that's not too hard to change
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[jacky] great, think I somehow lost your changes 💢
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[jacky] no they're there
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[jacky] this is (going to be) the latest test output https://gitlab.com/maxburon/microformats-parser/-/jobs/4956982636
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[jacky] ideally once this is cleaned up, I'll cut a 0.5.0 release
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[tantek] Jacky++ for unionstuff++
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Loqi Jacky has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (53 in all channels)
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Loqi unionstuff has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (2 in all channels)
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[jacky] cracks knuckles
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[jacky] let's see what's going on here
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gRegor jkingweb is working on some big updates to the microformats tests btw: https://github.com/microformats/tests/pull/126
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Loqi [preview] [JKingweb] #126 [WIP] Unit tests
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[jacky] 👀 will subscribe to that
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[jacky] okay lol I have no idea what's broken now
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[jacky] I _think_ this could be related to the change of the HTML parser
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[jacky] going to test downgrading to see
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[jacky] nope, nothing so this is a logic issue 😭
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