#dev 2023-09-18

2023-09-18 UTC
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[catgirlinspace] what's the best place to start for doing an indieauth implementation from scratch? just reading the entire spec?
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[tantek] great question
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[tantek] the wiki page has a bunch of helpful resources like: https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#Client_Libraries
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[tantek] is your implementation an IdP or an RP?
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[catgirlinspace] uhhh i don't rlly know... just wannya be able to sign into other things from my website lol (with auth going through my website and not just doing relmeauth)
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[catgirlinspace] seems like the term for that is IdP from a quick skim of the wiki page?
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[tantek] sounds like you're trying to set up your website to be your identity and identity provider, and yes, that would make it an IdP
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[catgirlinspace] right
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[catgirlinspace] wannya do it from scratch because sounds fun ig. also no libraries for luau lol
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[catgirlinspace] learning this kind of stuff is also just neat too
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[tantek] there are libraries for IdP support in other languages, one of them may be useful
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[capjamesg] [catgirlinspace] What programming language do you want to use?
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[capjamesg] I wrote methods for signing in to services with IndieAuth in `indieweb-utils` (Python).
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[capjamesg] With those methods you can almost copy-paste this code for Flask, for example: https://github.com/capjamesg/webmention-receiver/blob/main/auth/auth.py
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[Murray] [gRegorLove] thanks, that pointed me in the right direction gRegor++
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Loqi gRegor has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (84 in all channels)
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[Murray] though I see the official feed only contains one item, yet my feed reader picked up 5 when I subscribed, so I guess it's doing something different. I'll keep an eye and see if I noticed truncation again then confirm if this is a reader issue or not 🙂
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sknebel [catgirlinspace]: FWIW, I think the spec isnt bad to implement something primarily following the spec, but that's always a bit of a personal preferences kind of thing if that works for you
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c​apjamesg And of course we're always here to help!
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c​apjamesg aaronpk Aperture can't discover an RSS feed on this Old Reddit page.
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c​apjamesg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577430886350869/1153278730928664606/Screenshot_2023-09-18_at_11.37.22.png
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c​apjamesg The page has this tag:
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IWDiscord <c​apjamesg#0>
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c​apjamesg > <link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" title="RSS" href="https://old.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/.rss">
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aaronpk Lol at atom + RSS
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aaronpk Reddit is being weird about XRay fetching the url https://xray.p3k.app/feeds?url=https%3A%2F%2Fold.reddit.com%2Fr%2FTaylorSwift%2F
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c​apjamesg I can retrieve it with a `curl`
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f​ratis Following up on https://discord.com/channels/866577279223595018/866577279223595022/1153305689943453847
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[KevinMarks] unmung can read it https://unmung2.appspot.com/feed?feed=https%3A%2F%2Fold.reddit.com%2Fr%2FTaylorSwift%2F.rss - is this part of reddit's anti-scraping-for-AI changes?
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c​apjamesg Aperture says "0 entries" for that page.
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c​apjamesg > It’s not super popular, but it had momentum when I first started using it, it works great, and I have fun extending it, so we’re now married for life
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c​apjamesg frank[d] This is the way I feel about my site, too:
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IWDiscord <c​apjamesg#0>
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c​apjamesg *too.
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c​apjamesg I built my own static site generator. It never was popular, but we are married now because everything works well and it's nice to tinker to add things every now and again.
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f​ratis Yes. And in my old age, I don’t have the patience for a rewrite 😬
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f​ratis So Lektor it’ll be for the next decade
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c​apjamesg I like the Links page on your website.
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c​apjamesg I keep one at https://jamesg.coffee/
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c​apjamesg [edit] I keep one at https://jamesg.coffee/
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c​apjamesg Perhaps the only place on the web where there are links to Garfield, IANA, and the web all on the same page 😅
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f​ratis Ha
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f​ratis Nice. Yeah on a former blog I used to integrate the linkblog and longer form stuff into the same stream. Always thinking about doing that again
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f​ratis I use Pinboard to manage those links, and I have a custom Lektor plugin + Netlify function to check for updates and rebuild/publish when I add new ones
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[catgirlinspace] [capjamesg] am using luau which is a fork of lua. might try and reference other libraries for building my own in addition to the spec maybe?
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c​apjamesg Are web components faster than iframes?
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[schmarty] capjamesg: sounds like a classic "it depends" question
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f​ratis capjamesg[d]: for what purpose?
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[aciccarello] They are very different concepts. I'd consider web components a kind of client side rendering.
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[capjamesg] [KevinMarks] rel=me is now in the IANA link registry.
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[capjamesg] https://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml
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[capjamesg] [aaronpk] I tagged you in https://github.com/protocol-registries/link-relations/issues/63 w.r.t. IANA Considerations in IndieAuth.
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Loqi [preview] [capjamesg] #63 Registration Request: indieauth-metadata
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[snarfed] [capjamesg]++ congrats!
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Loqi [capjamesg] has 43 karma in this channel over the last year (126 in all channels)
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[capjamesg] [snarfed] Can you remind me what happened with Hacker Mention that you worked on?
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[tantek] capjamesg++ congrats!
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Loqi capjamesg has 44 karma in this channel over the last year (127 in all channels)
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[snarfed] [capjamesg] sure! I got a few complaints, but no positive interest, so I paused it and archived the repo
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[capjamesg] It would be nice to have as a utility to which one could opt in.
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[snarfed] definitely! feel free to take it and run with it, happy to help you ramp up
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[capjamesg] What is this code doing? https://github.com/snarfed/hackermention/blob/main/discover.py#L26C1-L26C15
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[capjamesg] I think a single-user setup can avoid querying the whole DB.
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[capjamesg] And use the Algolia API: https://hn.algolia.com/api/v1/search?query=jamesg.blog
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[snarfed] sure!
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[snarfed] I was running it multithreaded, so that lock synchronized write access to the endpoints dict
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[capjamesg] Ah, I see!
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[capjamesg] [snarfed] https://github.com/capjamesg/hn-webmention
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[capjamesg] I need to get the requirements set up etc.
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Loqi [preview] [capjamesg] hn-webmention: Send Webmentions from Hacker News to your personal website.
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[tw2113] did someone say Algolia?
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[tw2113] <---big fan
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[tw2113] also one of the primary maintainers of WP Search with Algolia plugin, which we forked from Algolia’s archived codebase years ago
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[tantek] what is Algolia
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Algolia" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Algolia is ____", a sentence describing the term)