#dev 2023-10-13

2023-10-13 UTC
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Soni wish patreon supported activitypub tbh :v
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Soni (tbh we don't consider services like wordpress.com "indieweb")
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[catgirlinspace] if http://wordpress.com isn't indieweb, couldn't the same logic be applied to something like http://micro.blog?
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aaronpk There's a pretty well established documentation of how Wordpress.com and micro.blog are indieweb so you're going to have to clarify who you mean by "we" there
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[catgirlinspace] http://wordpress.com is very indieweb imo. at the very least, it's more indieweb than twitter lol
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superkuh Wordpress has kept RSS/Atom feeds alive.
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[tantek] indeed
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[tantek] !tell aaronpk any time for an IIW summary blog post from an IndieWeb perspective for this week's newsletter?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[manton] [snarfed] Sorry for the late reply… I’m trying to find an @-mention example from M.b → Mastodon… I might just create a new one for testing to confirm. I’ll also follow up with an example on GitHub assuming it works.
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[manton] Confirmed it does work. Now looking at ActivityPub JSON.
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[tantek] 👀
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[snarfed] [manton] awesome, thank you! and just to confirm, by "work," you mean it generates a notification inside Mastodon for the Mastodon user who was mentioned?
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[manton] [snarfed] Yes. I see the mention show up under Notifications in Mastodon.
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[manton] I wish I had taken better notes when I was working on this. There are so many non-obvious things like the domain name in URLs or ids needs to match, etc. Mastodon-isms that can really only be figured out with testing.
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[manton] Looking at your JSON in that GitHub issue, nothing seems wrong, except maybe `Update` instead of `Create`. Your JSON is more verbose than mine but if anything that should be more compatible.
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[tantek] Mastodon is known for ignoring some things in Updates as compared to Creates, e.g. hashtags
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[manton] I can imagine that updates are more restrictive to prevent abuse with replies.
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[snarfed] awesome, thanks [manton]! yeah I just happened to be testing with an `Update` there, I'd tried `Create`s too
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[manton] Cool, figured as much.
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[manton] I guess Mastodon could also dislike those https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://snarfed.org… redirect URLs? Not totally sure why, just grasping for ideas.
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Loqi [preview] Ryan Barrett
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[manton] I distinctly remember having to change some of my URLs because Mastodon would just ignore posts if the domain name didn’t match up, e.g. http://micro.blog vs. http://yourdomain.com.
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[snarfed] yeah I hit that too 😐
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[manton] There is really barely any difference between your JSON and mine. You have to/cc in both the root level and object. You have inReplyTo. Otherwise nearly identical.
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[snarfed] all the other parts in there are working, just haven't managed to generate mention notifs yet
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[snarfed] thanks again, this is useful!
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[manton] No problem.
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[tantek] [snarfed] [gRegorLove] getting @-mentions working in and with Bridgy Fed is a pretty big deal and worthy of a short post about for IndieNews if you can manage one in the next hour!
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[tantek] (For the newsletter)
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[snarfed] sure! will do
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[snarfed] oof aaronpk did my submission ^ made indienews unhappy? or unrelated? https://news.indieweb.org/en rendered fine before, but now it's a stack trace
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[snarfed] (in CASSIS, cc [tantek])
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aaronpk interesting
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 8 hours, 8 minutes ago: any time for an IIW summary blog post from an IndieWeb perspective for this week's newsletter?
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[tantek] Oof how embarrassing. Ugh don't have time to take a look at it for a few hours
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[tantek] [snarfed] if it's an "obvious" fix, PRs welcome
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Renfield Hi. I'm trying to go through indiewebify.me. I'm on step two. I set up indieAuth, but it seems to want rel=me. But I don't have any big tech social media I want to associate with my domain.
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aaronpk hmm, we should update that on indiewebify.me then
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superkuh Do it with email? <link href="mailto:indieauth@superkuh.com" rel="me"/>
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aaronpk try logging in to the wiki https://indieweb.org/ that gives you some non-silo options
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aaronpk superkuh: the problem is indiewebify.me is encouraging only silo links and doesn't say that the mailto link is a valid option
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Renfield Yes, that works.
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[manton] [snarfed] If you don’t mind, going to send you an @-mention from http://WP.com… Trying to debug where things are going wrong in WebFinger land.
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Renfield I'm preferring to obfuscate my email address to reduce potential spam.
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[manton] [snarfed] Okay, it didn’t work. So whatever is broken with http://Micro.blog must be similar with Bridgy Fed.
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superkuh Yes. My rel=me email does get a lot of spam.
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Renfield Using rel=me in my h-card u-url link seems to satisfy indiewebify.me. So that satisfies two items in one.
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gRegor That will make it a /representative_h-card, which is good, though won't help if you're trying to use RelMeAuth to sign in
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gRegor PGP Key is an option: https://indielogin.com/setup
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Loqi [preview] How to Set Up Your Website for IndieLogin.com
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gRegor The indiewebify.me step 2 is basically checking for any rel=me links and verifying they link back to your site. That's not a guarantee the rel-me link is supported for signing in to a service, though.
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[tantek] A github profile would also work and that's not "social media", big tech or otherwise
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aaronpk it is "big tech" tho :D
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gRegor what is gitlab
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Loqi GitLab offers git repository management, code reviews, issue tracking, activity feeds and wikis https://indieweb.org/GitLab
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gRegor ^ supports rel-me, might be worth adding as a RelMeAuth option
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[tantek] True! Is it easy to setup an OAuth client with GitLab?
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gRegor No experience, but looks like they have good docs: https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/api/oauth2.html
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gRegor Aha, already a github issue on indielogin: https://github.com/aaronpk/indielogin.com/issues/82
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Loqi [preview] [reinhart1010] #82 Feature request: GitLab authentication provider