#dev 2023-10-19

2023-10-19 UTC
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rubenwardy are there any good communities to POSSE indieweb too, r/indieweb seems pretty dead
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rubenwardy maybe more general interest
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rubenwardy reddit is kind of a bad place to POSSE to given their rules on self promotion
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[tantek] indeed I would recommend against POSSEing to either reddit or HN
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rubenwardy definitely happy not posting to HN
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[tantek] rubenwardy, that being said, there is still the possibility of backfeed from both/either reddit and/or HN
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[tantek] that is, when someone *else* posts a link to your site (like a post permalink) to one of those aggregators, you could receive / moderate the comments made therein
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rubenwardy I don't currently backfeed comments as I think it violates privacy
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[tantek] even publicly viewable comments?
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rubenwardy yeah, they don't consent to it on my website
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rubenwardy if I were to do it, I'd design it in such a way that I only cache and not store, and deleting the source comment deletes on my website
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rubenwardy so it's effectively more like embedding a tweet
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[snarfed] yup, webmention deletes work like that now. tends to be a less implemented feature on the receiving side, but sounds like you'd plan to include it on your site
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[snarfed] https://indieweb.org/deleted
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rubenwardy does bridgy send webmention deletes from reddit/mastodon/etc?
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[snarfed] theoretically yes, but in practice afaik no, since most silos don't expose tombstones for removed comments, so it's hard to detect deletions
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[snarfed] (part of the mismatch btw webmention being push and silo APIS being mostly pull)
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[tantek] lazy deletions can be implemented by webmention receivers once in a while (monthly? yearly?) checking webmention sources to see if they 410
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[tantek] which wouldn't depend on bridgy
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[tantek] my guess is that lazy deletions would be "good enough" for 99% of use-cases for those that are concerned both on the displaying side (of deleted comments) and on the posting side (who have deleted their comments)
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rubenwardy 14-30 days is the max I'd do. In my case, maybe daily as it's low volume
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[tantek] the nice thing about "just" implementing webmention delete receiving is that anyone who deletes their comment on their own site or reddit/HN etc., can then immediately send a webmention to cause their comment to be deleted by the receiver
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[snarfed] good point! scaling it in bridgy would be impractical, at best. it's sent >2.5M wms, so checking them all on any regular schedule, even infrequently, would be prohibitive
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[snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/907#issuecomment-570738356
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Loqi [preview] [snarfed] > At a guess it’s about 1000 web mentions down the list. Is there an easier way to find it that clicking “older”? sadly no. at a high level, updating old webmentions when something changes like this is a good use case, but not something Bridg...
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[snarfed] we should definitely encourage wm sending implementations to send wms for deletions though! I don't know how widely implemented that is, but I suspect not enough
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Loqi definitely
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[tantek] [snarfed] would https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/693 catch mentions like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9531411
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Loqi [preview] [snarfed] #693 hacker news support: publish, backfeed
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[snarfed] maybe? I assume it's possible
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2025-03-09 10:01am PDT (#7062)
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[tantek] 507 days until 10 years since js;dr https://tantek.com/2015/069/t1/js-dr-javascript-required-dead posted — see what content (if any) from sites dependent on JS for displaying their content are still available, visible, or archived anywhere on the web
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] js;dr = JavaScript required; Didn’t Read. Pages that are empty without JS: dead to history (archive-org), unreliable for search results (despite any search engine claims of JS support, check it yourself), and thus ignorable. No need to waste time ...
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[tantek] datemath is hard
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[tantek] !cancel #7062
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Loqi Okay, I cancelled it!
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[tantek] 508 days until 10 years since js;dr https://tantek.com/2015/069/t1/js-dr-javascript-required-dead posted — see what content (if any) from sites dependent on JS for
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2025-03-10 10:02am PDT (#7063)
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[tantek] displaying their content are still available, visible, or archived anywhere on the web
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] js;dr = JavaScript required; Didn’t Read. Pages that are empty without JS: dead to history (archive-org), unreliable for search results (despite any search engine claims of JS support, check it yourself), and thus ignorable. No need to waste time ...
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[tantek] there we go
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[manton] [snarfed] FYI to follow up on that languages discussion last week, I ended up adding contentMap to my ActivityPub JSON to make Mastodon happy, plus a new http://Micro.blog setting for what to use as your default language. I still think Mastodon needs to be improved here, but for now at least the posts look better.
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[schmarty] > I still think Mastodon needs to be improved here, but for now at least the posts look better.
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[schmarty] evergreen activitypub dev sentiment
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[tantek] ^
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[snarfed] [manton] awesome, thanks! so you just duplicated `content` in `contentMap.en`?
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gRegor oh bummer, indieweb.xyz domain might have been lost. Redirects to an SF architecture firm now ??
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gRegor Kicks Condor who set it up doesn't appear to have posted since 2022-06 https://www.kickscondor.com/
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gRegor what is indieweb.xyz
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Loqi Indieweb.xyz is a syndication service organized into subs, similar to Reddit, created by Kicks Condor https://indieweb.org/indieweb.xyz
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gRegor ^ Was going to suggest that for an indie-reddit type thing, rubenwardy, but alas.
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aaronpk oops darn
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[schmarty] spokc 😞
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gRegor hah, took me a second to decode that
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aaronpk 🤔
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rubenwardy How do I markup a cover image using microformats2? `u-photo` says its for photos that are the main subject of the post, so seems like using it on a cover image would be a bad idea
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[schmarty] what is featured?
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Loqi featured is a proposed mf2 property (typically as u-featured) for h-entry that indicates a representative image for a post https://indieweb.org/featured
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[manton] [snarfed] Yep, duplicating content and contentMap.
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rubenwardy [schmarty]++
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Loqi [schmarty] has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (49 in all channels)
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c​apjamesg https://rubenerd.com/missing-server-side-blogging-again/
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[tantek] is anyone using a GitHub action to tweet from their repo every time something is committed? I used to have this setup on http://twitter.com/cassisjs, don't remember why it stopped working, and am considering trying to set it up again
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rubenwardy probably the twitter API being limited?
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[snarfed] yeah sounds likely but you can still use v2 to tweet from your own account, you may just need to go through the new API project flow(s) on https://developer.twitter.com/
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[snarfed] (whether you actually want to is a separate q 😁)
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sknebel shouldnt that be micropub-ing and then let the site handle POSSE if desired? ;)
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[tantek] sknebel, GitHub actions support Micropubbing?!?
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[tantek] ^ I mean THAT would be amazing. cc: aaronpk
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sknebel you can run whatever code you want in there. if you can call a program to make a call to a twitter API, you can also run a script that makes a micropub request
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sknebel (or you can have GH send you webhooks, and do something with those, instead of using Actions)
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sknebel (probably also more widely supported with other forges)
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capjamesg Hm.
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capjamesg sknebel I just looked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forge_(software)
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capjamesg I was surprised to see "Federation" so prominent haha.
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epoch > tweet every commit to github
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epoch nah, but I twtxt every commit to local git repos
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epoch close enough? :P
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capjamesg :D
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[KevinMarks] Early ssg advocacy http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000404
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rubenwardy rip