#dev 2023-11-01

2023-11-01 UTC
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GWG Rereading Oauth and IndieAuth specs... want to tweak the WordPress implementation a bit and update a few things about the experimental ticket endpoint.
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[jacky] Custom oauth profile for AP? https://cosocial.ca/@evan/111167238962520262
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[manton] Ghost using Webmention for site recommendations. Haven’t totally wrapped my head around this yet but looks very interesting. https://ghost.org/docs/recommendations/?ref=ghost.org
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Loqi [preview] [Evan Prodromou] @blake That sounds like a good strategy! I also think that there are some things that need adding to the AP API, which I've been adding as FEPs. In particular, collections for pending followers/following, and blocked users. I've also proposed an OAut...
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aaronpk [jacky]: he posted it here https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/d8c2/fep-d8c2.md
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[jacky] Ahhh this makes me so happy lol
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[jacky] Such a missed chance for things to be out of the box (imagine if AP had this off rip? I really think people would have taken more care with making auth a bit more portable or consumable)
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barnaby [manton]: very interesting, although not very useful for most webmention consumers if the source is a JSON file?
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[manton] @barnaby Right, that is curious. If I’m reading it correctly, if someone recommends your site, you get a Webmention ping about it. Cool. But you would need to handle it in a special way compared to Webmentions for blog post replies.
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barnaby yeah, it looks like it’s mostly an internal ghost feature which in theory other platforms could integrate with by special-casing ghost’s recommendation format
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[manton] Yeah. I feel like this is progress, though, because it always bugged me that Ghost invented their own posting API instead of using Micropub. If this is the first of more open standards, I’m very happy about it.
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barnaby yep, definitely interesting to know that they’re aware of webmention and see it as being useful
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[manton] I thought Mastodon had a similar concept of recommended users, but I’m not finding it. Maybe they only have featured hashtags.
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barnaby I suppose this is a bit of a marketing issue for webmention being so barebones – it’s very easy to claim “compatibility with webmention” when in practice what you’re doing isn’t really compatible with anyone else’s webmention implementation
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[snarfed] on the other hand, it's fascinating as afaik one of the first non-HTML-source webmention implementations in the wild
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[snarfed] and non-HTML-source is compliant and allowed, even if unusual
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[jacky] This is an interesting precedent for Vouch if these are made public
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[jacky] Could be used as an auto approve list or something for badging
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[jacky] Or even a "comments from recommendations"
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[manton] Also interesting from their blog post:
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[manton] > Recommendations also make it possible for readers to subscribe to recommended publications with a single click. While this feature is currently exclusive to Ghost sites, we are eager to help other platforms in implementing this 1-click functionality. Contact us if you’re interested in building 1-click subscriptions for the open web!
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[jacky] It's giving me "Myspace top 10" energy lol
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[manton] Easy subscribing to feeds (or even ActivityPub across servers) has always been a tricky UI problem.
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[jacky] Wait wait wait they should reach out re: rel=subscribe
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rubenwardy https://fosstodon.org/deck/explore/suggestions
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rubenwardy Explore > People
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rubenwardy explore is in the hamburger menu in deck mode of the web version
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rubenwardy in the mobile app, it's under search iirc
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barnaby huh I actually didn’t know that the webmention spec has a specific procedure for verifying webmentions from a JSON document https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/#webmention-verification
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barnaby “In a JSON ([RFC7159]) document, the receiver should look for properties whose values are an exact match for the URL.”
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[manton] I didn’t realize that either. I guess this has never really come up before. Good find.
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[manton] @rubenwardy Thanks. That is recommendations for the entire server, right? I was thinking personal recommendations on someone’s profile.
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rubenwardy that's personal recommendations to the current user
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rubenwardy I think
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rubenwardy idk
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barnaby looks like webmention.rocks doesn’t have a test for the JSON case https://webmention.rocks/
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barnaby which I’m actually in favour of, IMO it’s good to encourage people to publish things as human-readable HTML
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GWG Re Webmention spec...it also says you should check for the url on HTML elements but many people just do a text search for the whole document.
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sknebel you can "feature" hashtags and users on a mastodon profile
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[tantek] it came up before during the Social Web WG, because so many other specs there focus on JSON(-LD) and there were some hack experiments to see if JSON-based Webmention could work, and that was verified, but it never went anywhere beyond that — it was very clear HTML+mf2 made the most sense as a format to use with Webmention
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[KevinMarks] there was one site doing academic references that did json webmentions IIRC
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sknebel csarven had an implementation afaik
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[KevinMarks] there was a whole thing about adding a "property" filed to webmention that csarven was pushing and we decided was superfluous and after that he made his own LD-mentions spec or something
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[tantek] sknebel yes, csarven did
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[snarfed] I guess I'm more curious about _receiving_ JSON wm implementations. have there been any, how do they parse the source, etc
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Zegnat Re: accessibility talks at IWC, apparently it was also the time to start making your READMEs accessible over at GitHub! https://github.blog/2023-10-26-5-tips-for-making-your-github-profile-page-accessible/
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[schmarty] how interesting
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epoch Zegnat: auth.hawx.me has the same problem it seems
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GWG [marksuth]: Someone asked about IndiePass for iOS. What's the latest?
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[marksuth] @gwg antonio has been working on updating the codebase to the point where it can be submitted to Testflight
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GWG Weee
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GWG I'm an Android user, but someone asked in -wordpress
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[nsmsn] [marksuth]: Good news about IndiePass...I'd be happy to test an iOS beta
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