#dev 2023-11-10

2023-11-10 UTC
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GWG At least something helpful came out of the conversation. https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/pull/129
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Loqi [preview] [dshanske] #129 Move Definition of Issuer Identifier to the Identifier Section and Update References to RFC9207
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gRegor LGTM
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GWG I have some tweaks to Ticketing based on your legitimate comment.
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gRegor GWG, sent you a ticket just now and looks like it was redeemed successfully
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GWG Yay
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GWG gRegor: It isn't on the list
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GWG Last one I got was sknebel on the 29th
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GWG I see a post to it
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gRegor staging.gregorlove.com, not gregorlove.com
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gRegor I have two redeemed tickets from wpdev.gwg.us resulting in access tokens
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GWG Interesting... I was playing with the code so maybe I broke something
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GWG So it isn't logging it
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gRegor I need to add more logging on my end too
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gRegor The request I send with the ticket includes `iss`, in case that has an impact
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gRegor GWG, Ah, 500 error: {"error":"unknown","error_description":"Unable to Identify User Associated with Me Property"}
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gRegor Ticket is still getting redeemed, though
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GWG gRegor: Time to build a better notification
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gRegor If you build it, the notifications will come
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[jacky] that dark mode in SVG trick is nifty, Kevin!
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jeremycherfas Trying to understand the display of a map.
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jeremycherfas Code contains `<div id="map_6fe9a186-a0ed-4660-b8c3-e7e0b52d723c" style="height: 250px"></div>`
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jeremycherfas But first line of script is `var map6fe9a186-a0ed-4660-b8c3-e7e0b52d723c = L.map('map_6fe9a186-a0ed-4660-b8c3-e7e0b52d723c', {
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jeremycherfas In other words, there is an underscore missing from the references to the map div's id, and that is true for all subsequent references to the map.
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jeremycherfas Such as `addTo(map6fe9a186-a0ed-4660-b8c3-e7e0b52d723c)`
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jeremycherfas Could that mismatch be the reason for a map not displaying? Or have I misunderstood the connection between the ID of the map's div and the id in the script? (Quite possible)
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sknebel the `var map6f....` is just a variable name to hold the reference to the map created with the `L.map` call
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sknebel what its name is is totally irrelevant
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jeremycherfas So they do not need to match?
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sknebel no
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jeremycherfas Oh well, there goes my simplest explanation.
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sknebel whats important is that the first parameter to L.map matches the ID in the HTML, and that iseems to do
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jeremycherfas All the examples I have seen in tutorials, they do match.
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jeremycherfas Yes, that first parameter does match. OK. Thanks. I will keep digging.
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[tantek] what is SVG
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Loqi SVG is Scalable Vector Graphics, a standard way to display vector images that integrates well into HTML and is implemented in all modern browsers https://indieweb.org/SVG
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] if you are using that SVG dark mode trick yourself, can you add yourself as an IndieWeb Example with link / explanation to how you're doing it on your own site to the /SVG page?
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[tantek] cc: [jacky] ^
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[tantek] re Datenstrom, what's the difference between a flat-file based CMS and a static site generator? Are they the same thing? If so we should pick the more recognizable phrase and use it consistently
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[tantek] ^ gRegor, Pablo
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sknebel CMS runs code on request, static generator dumps out static html
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sknebel i.e. your site is afaik a custom "flat-file based CMS"
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[snarfed] right
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[snarfed] right, both falcon and p3k I think?
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[snarfed] iirc aaronpk may use a db as a cache but authoritative storage is files?
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sknebel something like that
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sknebel i.e. the flat-file refers to the input, not the output
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[tantek] ahhhh thank you sknebel, that distinction makes a lot of sense
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[tantek] then I don't understand this expression on the /Datenstrom page: "a flat-file CMS (static site generator)"
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[tantek] is it a mistake?
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[tantek] Pablo?
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[tantek] or someone else that understands Datenstrom
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sknebel it can do both afaik
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sknebel i.e. it can be run both on a server as a CMS or be used like a static site generator that spits out the entire site as HTML
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[tantek] that should be clarified then because the parenthetical makes it seem like it's the same thing
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[tantek] what is a flat-file CMS
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "flat-file CMS" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "flat-file CMS is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is a static-site generator
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Loqi Static site generators or SSGs are programs that take a set of flat text files on disk and transforms them into a set of static HTML files ready to be served by a standard web server, or some variation of this example https://indieweb.org/static_site_generator
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[tantek] ^ sknebel those could be improved accordingly to make the difference more clear (or the possibility of combining them and what that means)
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jeremycherfas Grav is also flat-file CMS, builds pages dynamically from files, with quite aggressive caching.
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jeremycherfas But cannot just create static HTML.
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[tantek] Yes, that is a useful distinction
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[KevinMarks] Anything can create static html with a bit of wrapping, but yes.
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[tantek] there are many references to flat-file CMS on the wiki (in prose) so clearly it's a "thing" we should define
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[tantek] Grav, Kirby, Datenstrom (perhaps others)
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[tantek] lol even in https://indieweb.org/events/2023-05-24-hwc-pacific "What's the difference between flat-file CMS and static site generator? "
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[tantek] so there's definitely confusion between the two because check out the list here which kinda conflates them: https://indieweb.org/file-storage#Flat_file_%22CMS%22_systems_in_the_wild
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[tantek] how much "M" do you need to make something a CMS?
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sknebel I'd say if it has a feature to create a post its a CMS ;)
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[jacky] at least create _and_ delete
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[jacky] management implies the ability to make a change to its state so having two states _at the least_ hits that for me
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[jacky] well it could be said that _no_ post is a state so maybe create is enough! ha
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[jacky] taoist-indieweb++
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Loqi taoist-indieweb has 1 karma over the last year
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jeremycherfas found at least one preliminary problem with maps in Known https://github.com/idno/known/issues/3161
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Loqi [preview] [jeremycherfas] #3161 Hyphen in map div id prevents display of tiles
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sknebel oh, derp, of course. didnt even notice that in your line above...
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[KevinMarks] CAS - Content Anarchy System
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sknebel thats called a "wiki"
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superkuh File and folders are the best CMS.
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superkuh Even 'flat files' are over-complication.
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jeremycherfas I've tracked it down as far as I can and have to hope that someone else can find a proper fix.
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[tantek] Content Gardening System
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sknebel jeremycherfas: seems the format for Ids changed at some point... I guess the easiest fix would be to send them through some filter that makes them usable again in the template
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sknebel but I do wonder how much stuff in other templates broke on the same thing
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jeremycherfas I don't use many other post types, really, so cannot say. But wouldn't it be easier to find the change and, if it only affects post ids etc change that back?
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jeremycherfas I know roughly when it changed, at least for my site. Between 2022-05-30 and 2022-06-15.
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jeremycherfas But I was not using git at that time.
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sknebel from a quick skim seems indeed to be mostly the maps/checkins
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jeremycherfas And I'm not sure how to do a diff, although I do have an install of Known from 2022-01 locally
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sknebel and fixing the IDs would mean rewriting their database entries etc
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jeremycherfas I couldn't seem to find exactly how the var CheckinMap is calculated
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jeremycherfas Yes, going into the db and making the changes there would be too difficult, becuse of those blobs that I do not understand.
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sknebel https://github.com/idno/checkin/blob/master/templates/default/entity/Checkin.tpl.php#L42
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jeremycherfas Which means I need to trace back to where $object gets its id.
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sknebel or just edit that template to put something valid in the source
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jeremycherfas Hard coded? I mean, replace `<?php echo $object->_id?>` with `` or something else unique?
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jeremycherfas Got to go out now; will pick this up again in a couple of days.
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jeremycherfas sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 17 karma in this channel over the last year (38 in all channels)
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sknebel e.g. with object->id, but sent through a stringfilter that strips out the "-"
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sknebel ok, see you :)
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] and other folks interested in cutting edge HTML-that-replaces-some-JS-use-cases, see the "Invoke" feature in progress: https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/9841
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Loqi [preview] [keithamus] #9841 Add InvokeElement & InvokeEvent IDLs & invocation steps for Invoke proposal
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[KevinMarks] The html feature that blew my mind recently was <output>
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sknebel (https://open-ui.org/components/invokers.explainer/ for examples around the invoke feature, from the proposal link)
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[tantek] Thanks sknebel, was about to find a link and that's better than what I found
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[tantek] In particular I really like the list of default verbs here that give me memories of wanting to do all this declaratively like 10+ y ago: https://open-ui.org/components/invokers.explainer/#defaults (all the audio/video buttons, and fullscreen too!)
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barnaby ooh that looks very exciting
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Zegnat !tell jeremycherfas What I would propose as a fix is to wrap the contents of that <script> in a function. Then change all the variable names to not include the object ID at all. They only do that so they will not conflict incase multiple checkins have to be rendered on the same page. Happy to explain if you are interested!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat !tell jeremycherfas actually, that whole thing was like a minute worth of work, so I just used the on-GitHub code-editor to file a PR. Let me know if it fixes it. Happy to explain the code change more if you want for learning! https://github.com/idno/known/pull/3162
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (16 in all channels)
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GWG Trying to figure out what notifications I might want in my IndieAuth code. When what happens. I know I want to know when a ticket is sent... but what about other non experimental happenings?
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