#dev 2023-11-16

2023-11-16 UTC
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[jacky] what is PHP
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Loqi PHP is a programming language and web server runtime environment used for many IndieWeb projects https://indieweb.org/PHP
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[jacky] hmm how do I learn it "the hard way"?
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[jacky] like I remember enough to be okay in a wordpress codebase (plugin or theme)
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[schmarty] jacky: we tend to share this around at work (as a thing to study and say "hmm that would be nice if we didn't have a 15 year old legacy codebase) https://phptherightway.com/
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aaronpk It's a sign I'm getting old that 15 years seems like a perfectly reasonable amount of time for code to not be considered legacy
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[tantek] I have a lot of 13-14 year old code that is still running quite well
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aaronpk exactly
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aaronpk this weekend's project of updating Overland was a good demonstration of this... some of that code was written in 2010 and has been untouched since then
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[cleverdevil] I love it when old code ages like a fine wine. Years ago, when I was in college, I worked with a healthcare company to reverse engineer a legacy fax document capture device that had been acting up and the company that made it had gone under. They asked me to write a Java server that would emulate the device that they could run on an SCO Unix server. So I did it, got a nice little paycheck for a college student.
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[cleverdevil] A DECADE AND A HALF later, I get a call.
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[cleverdevil] “Hey, do you have the source code for that thing you built? The server it was running on rebooted for the first time in 15 years and didn’t come back up again.”
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aaronpk omg
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[cleverdevil] So the code I had written had been running 24/7/365 for 15 years.
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[cleverdevil] Perhaps my greatest accomplishment LOL
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[cleverdevil] I didn’t have the source, but they recovered the jar file from the hard drive and I decompiled it for them and sent it back.
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t​haidaree exposing the DB details in the URL is a no-no. I wouldn't do /articles/>{primary_key} or something like that, but for /likes/{primary_key}> I would be inclined to do so. thoughts?
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[KevinMarks] The stuff I work on for the BBC replaced a codebase from ~ 2008 that was still running on a combination of an ancient windows machine and a Linux server running chron jobs to receive emails and talk to it. When I was at Apple in ~2000 I fixed one bug by reverting a 12 year old check-in.
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[m] I experience that Bridgy loose the connection with Mastodon which leads to error on publishing. Is it a requirement to open up Bridgy from time to time and refresh the login?
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[snarfed] [m] hmm, generally no. I can look. what's your bridgy user page? or mastodon handle?
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[m] My Mastodon handle is @marcuslindblom@mastodon.social
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[snarfed] [m] thanks. looks like you may have been hit by https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/1531 , which I still don't have a complete solution for 😕
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[snarfed] still looking...
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[snarfed] [m] if you disable and then re-enable publish (the right side) on https://brid.gy/mastodon/@marcuslindblom@mastodon.social , that should fix it
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[snarfed] sorry for the trouble! I'll take another look at that bug today
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[jacky] [cleverdevil] that's so cool
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[jacky] Tbh the fact that they found you again too - I wonder how long that took lol
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[schmarty]1 love the legacy discussion! some great stuff in here! i also love code that ages well! in the case i was discussing, we have a "live" codebase that we are constantly adding to with a tiny team, but it originated well before there was a "right way" with PHP (before a "right way" for a lot of things for that matter). much of that old code works fine or well-enough day-to-day - but woe unto the adventurer that must alter them.
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[m] ↩️ Ok, done 👍
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[m] ↩️ [snarfed] still gets this one:HTTP Error 400: {"error":"invalid_grant","error_description":"The provided authorization grant is invalid, expired, revoked, does not match the redirection URI used in the authorization request, or was issued to another client."}
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[m] ↩️ But… it seems like it got posted to mastodon 🤔
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[snarfed] ↩️ huh, surprising that both happened
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[snarfed] ↩️ that error is https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/1602, due to Mastodon's questionable new garbage collecting of OAuth clients. their OAuth design decisions have been problematic lately 😕
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[tantek] ooof I'm hesitating to dive into https://phptherightway.com/ because I have *opinions* obviously and expect them to be very different (given what I've been doing with CASSIS etc.)
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[tantek] like I would write a *completely* different section / set of advice for https://phptherightway.com/#date_and_time
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barnaby ha ha yeah I imagine you’d hate much of the advice there
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barnaby but from what I remember, it’s much more in line with what the modern PHP community is doing, and therefore is useful for anyone who wants to interact with that ecosystem
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gRegor Maybe you want https://phpthewrongway.com/
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barnaby your version would be PHP the tantek way ;)
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[tantek] PHP: the right way to write PHP re-usable as JS, and avoid rewriting code in JS
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[aciccarello] Does anyone use the <q> tag for inline quotes? I just used it in a post but now I'm thinking it might screw up the text representation of the post.
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[tantek] I've used it in the past. It works reasonably well
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GWG [tantek]: That could be a book...PHP The Tantek Way
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[tantek] I'd rather not include any personal quirks and prefer to focus on the most effective ways to use PHP for PHP/JS interop, maintainability. and reduction/elimination of client/server code duplication.
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GWG Either way, I'd read a [tantek] PHP book
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t​haidaree webmentions enabled for https://www.offsetlab.net/ I hope... need to get the display of mentions in place
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gRegor t​haidaree++ nice!
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t​haidaree I'll need to do a full redesign eventually. My wife does front-end for me. I do the back-end 😄