#dev 2023-11-17

2023-11-17 UTC
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[Jo] That's nice!
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[jacky] q: I'm thinking about my micropub media endpoint and its ability to do referencial lookups (namely in what content it's been used). doing this _without_ the two endpoints being joined makes this pretty tricky
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[jacky] the thing is, it's not like I can throw Webmention endpoints on it in hopes of it being referenced (because IIRC, there isn't any Webmention link resolution that'd also include non-links)
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[jacky] (like if I sent a photo reply, I don't currently expect the recipient to either send that Webmention)
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[jacky] but I _guess_ it'd make sense for _my client_ that's posting to send that Webmention?
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[schmarty] jacky: if you're looking for references to your media files from the greater web (or even just your own site(s)), it might be a job for refbacks?
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[jacky] looks up refbacks
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[jacky] tbh just for my site would be a great start
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[jacky] I wouldn't even know how to show Webmentions or that kind of info for external things
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[jacky] OH this is the referrer header?!
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[jacky] ha
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[jacky] that'd be easy to collect
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[jacky] tbh I'm _tempted_ to see if there's a way to make that into a webmention (but I'd imagine that'd require a sever-level integration)
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[schmarty] as long as referer headers still work, i'm imagining you'd pull it out of your server logs on the media server. webmention `target` is whatever file is being `GET`, `source` is whatever is in the `referer` header. from there, process it like a webmention _but_ in addition to accepting links to the media, also look in `img[src]` and the dozen or more other ways that media can be loaded in HTML lol.
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[jacky] 🤔 now you mentioning that re: looking at `img[src]`, I could do some sort of DNT-respecting tracker there
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Zegnat It would not surprise me if there are a couple of wm endpoints that already support img[src]. Simply because they are not doing HTML parsing and opt for the faster/simpler text matching ;)
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[snarfed] from the ActivityPub matrix chat just now: "Also people haven't realized that there should only be one programming language used in the Fediverse." 🤣 🍿
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[manton] Ha, wait, what’s the language? 🙂
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[snarfed] evidently Python, but less important, they were arguing more that we shouldn't have to maintain libs in multiple languages
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[snarfed] so much for plurality 🤷
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[manton] I should probably join that Matrix but I’m at chat overload already…
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Loqi yea!
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GWG [manton]: Do you have any thoughts on IndieAuth for a multiuser site? Trying to upgrade the WordPress code.
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aaronpk wow
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[KevinMarks] don't cross-site referer headers only give the site and not the page now?
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[KevinMarks] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Referrer-Policy#strict-origin-when-cross-origin
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[manton] @GWG I guess that is similar to what I do on http://Micro.blog because a single account can have multiple blogs. Not exactly the same thing, but similar. To be honest, I don’t handle it perfectly… When an IndieAuth request hits, if the domain name doesn’t match the current default blog it gets a little confused, but that’s fixable.
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GWG [manton]: That's why I asked. I thought you might have given it some thoughts about how you approached it. I'm trying to tweak my implementation to be more robust.
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[manton] WordPress probably has other ramifications that I’m not thinking of. Off the top of my head, feels like it should just be cool with whoever the currently signed-in user is.
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[manton] Curious what you come up with or if you hit problems.
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GWG [manton]: The scenario is that I'm using my external IndieAuth endpoint to sign into a multi-user service
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GWG In my case, there's our web sign in code, where you can log into one WordPress site using the endpoint attached to another.
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GWG So, I have to map the WordPress blog user on one site, who has a unique URL, to the user in the other multi-user wordpress site they are logging into
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GWG I'm doing that by having the user set the URL in the account on the site they want to log into.
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GWG But I feel like that is a bit fragile.
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[KevinMarks] https://hachyderm.io/@thisismissem/111427885700472181
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Loqi [preview] [Emelia 👸🏻] Have just opened a pull request to enable OAuth 2.0 refresh tokens for Mastodon, which is a first step towards enabling expiration of access tokens, to increase security to best practices.https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/27948#Mastodon #Mast...
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[tantek] I'm starting to really miss revision histories on everything that lacks them. E.g. a Calendar like gCal. I'd love to have a "Recent Changes" like page there that shows a stream of all edits to events, event creations & deletions etc., each with a clickable UI to undo or edit further
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[tantek] also, searchable Recent Changes, so e.g. when you see that an event was deleted, you can go see it and restore it if you wish
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[tantek] from an IndieWeb perspective, I think once you have interacted with an event (e.g. from somewhere else), you get a soft-copy so even if the original is deleted, your soft-copy remains along with your interactions
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[tantek] do we have an IndieWeb equivalent of /Clubhouse ? like does anyone use some WebRTC OSS to host the equivalent of a Clubhouse room or Twitter Space on their site?
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[schmarty] what is mumble?
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Loqi Mumble is open-source voice chat software, with clients available for both desktop and mobile, as well as web browsers https://indieweb.org/Mumble
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[schmarty] ^^ like sknebel mentioned. it's been used for some HWCs in the past, before zoom became more the default.
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sknebel the web frontend wasnt working all that well though, but there might be better ones today
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sknebel (we generally used the native apps)
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sknebel (and really theres probably much more in that space now than there was 5 years ago)
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[schmarty] they're not open source, but the closest user experience i've seen personally is discord audio rooms.
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[schmarty] the tech is pretty available now, but shared real-time audio rooms are weird! socially!
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[schmarty] which reminds me of gather.town haha
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[tantek] thanks, updated the Clubhouse page accordingly
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[tantek] what is Clubhouse?
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Loqi Clubhouse is a social network silo for momentary audio only IRC-style rooms/channels; on the IndieWeb some folks use Mumble for similar functionality on their personal sites https://indieweb.org/Clubhouse
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[aciccarello] That was strange. Lost a proceeding "+" symbol on a reply posted via quill so "+1" turned into "1". Need to figure out if that was an issue with my micropub endpoint or just a form encoding quirk.
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[tantek] that could definitely be a form encoding related bug since if the value is being passed as a query string parameter, a literal '+' would be turned into a space ' ' which may get stripped by your server
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[tantek] did it get turned into "1" or " 1" (with a leading space) ?
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[tantek] if that space is showing up then it means the value was not escaped for URL encoding
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[snarfed] [tantek] "soft copy" of an event you interact with sounds like a special case of archiving everything you interact with in general (eg reply contexts), maybe everything you link to, etc, right?
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[snarfed] I don't know the exact right point to land on the generalizing spectrum there, but still
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[aciccarello] Ah, you're right about the encoding. Was able to look at the server logs and it did get a preceding space.
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[aciccarello] Good call [tantek]++
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[aciccarello] Good news is that my mastodon metaformats parsing code seems to be working.
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[aciccarello] When I was trying to figure out how to display the author in link previews I started thinking I could put the @user@domain.tld as a nickname on an h-card but so far only display whatever they put for their display name.