#dev 2023-12-18

2023-12-18 UTC
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[fluffy] @GWG Nice to hear about your Ticket Auth receiver. Is it integrated into a reader yet, or something else? Do you have something to test where I can provide, say, a feed entry you should be able to consume?
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[fluffy] Didn’t the endpoint discovery move into the indieauth metadata thing?
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GWG [fluffy]: Yes, because it wasn't an adopted enough extension not to, but there is a note
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[fluffy] I need to add that to my implementation.
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[fluffy] Doing so shouldn’t be that difficult although I’m finding it hard to muster up enough caring about this given how slow/nonexistent the adoption’s been.
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[fluffy] Aren’t there also a bunch of other changes to some other details as well? I remember something about a couple of additional fifelds being added.
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GWG Only one. iss for issuer to help determine the token endpoint if the resource doesn't provide it
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GWG I still look for the old, but only if there is no metadata. I assume it you have metadata you updated
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gRegor Well there's an edge case I hadn't considered: someone on Bluesky liked a post and they have a right-to-left mark in their display name, so it's reversed some text on my site
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[tantek] Cross-site-text-reversal
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[tantek] We should have a page about text sanitization or embedding. Applies to responses and reply-contexts
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Loqi +1
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[KevinMarks] We did some testing of this for AS2/AP during SocialWG - I remember us injecting rtl into various things then
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[KevinMarks] https://web.archive.org/web/20170716045136/http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/-inline-rtl-works-in-reverse-without-implementers-knowing
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Loqi [preview] [Kevin Marks] ‮ inline RTL works in reverse without implementers knowing #indieweb
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sknebel what was that project to generate "bad" webmention inputs?
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sknebel maybe we should refresh that one
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sknebel oh, there was a session Murmurations?
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sknebel heh, lots of questions and little answers in that pad :D
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sknebel that ... matches my impression I encountered it last time...
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sandra snarfed: This is awesome: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/fffd/fep-fffd.md
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sknebel [KevinMarks]: re MastodonAPI/websub etc bridge, yeah I've had that thought too before. although its probably not fixing what I want from the reader experience
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[snarfed] from #indieweb-stream, re https://holonet.social/@justin/111601416147058012 , I've debugged his wms and gotten them working before, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/1603 , haven't looked again this time yet
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Loqi [preview] [Justin the Wayseeker] Anyone know how to help with #Webmentions?I have #Bridgy set up and it’s sending based on interactions on #Mastodon. However, nothing is being received by Webmention.io. I’m lost at what to do next for https://justincox.com/. Any suggestions?#Ask...
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[snarfed] ah, his site is now using its own endpoint, not http://wm.io. I'll reply
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rubenwardy Reminder to run your websites through Chromium Lighthouse to find low hanging fruit, especially with performance and accessibility
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rubenwardy so many people have unlabelled buttons, images with alt, over-sized images, and [Read me] links
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rubenwardy a common "click here" style link in article excerpts, you should use screenreader-only text to expand on it: <a href>Read more <span class="sr-only">of {{ article.title }}</span></a>
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rubenwardy (is Lighthouse availabe in Chromium or just Chrome?)
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[Murray] Within dev tools, I've seen it in other Chromium browsers, but not sure if it's an addition or part of the base project
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[jacky] The webhint addon for Firefox does some of this (and it's a WebExt so runs in any browser that supports it)
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[jacky] https://webhint.io/
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[tantek] what are add-ons
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "add-ons" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "add-ons is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] add-ons are /browser_extension
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] add-ons << https://webhint.io/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://webhint.io/" to the "See Also" section of /browser_extension https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=91422&oldid=91419
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gRegor what is ocr
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Loqi OCR or optical character recognition is the way in which technology can recognize individual characters and words that are written out or present in a physical document https://indieweb.org/OCR
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[tantek] topic from #indieweb-meta. has anyone looked into whether you can get access to the mobile OCRd text from a photo taken on a mobile? could be useful for a Micropub client
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capjamesg emerges from the Pokéball with a new burst of energy.
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capjamesg There are open source versions of GPT-4 with Vision.
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capjamesg But they would cost a lot of money to run if it was for hobby use now I think about it.
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capjamesg ($200+ / month)
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capjamesg llamafile from Mozilla might be able to do OCR well!
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capjamesg It supports a lot of vision models IIRC.
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sknebel looks up llamafile
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sknebel ah, that's what people were talking about when they were talking about Mozilla hiring jart
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capjamesg https://github.com/Mozilla-Ocho/llamafile
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capjamesg It is amazing.
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[snarfed] LLMs seem like overkill for just OCR, right?
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Loqi [preview] [Mozilla-Ocho] llamafile: Distribute and run LLMs with a single file.
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[snarfed] I mean, OCR-specific models have been around forever and are way lighter weight and more mature
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capjamesg [snarfed] It depends on the model.
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capjamesg I haven't found an amazing handwriting OCR model that is open source.
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sknebel would be worth looking up what the state of the art is. I know open OCR has been surprisingly tricky in the past...
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capjamesg I ended up using Google's endpoint for OCR for a personal project earlier this year.
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capjamesg It did really well.
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capjamesg Not sure what technology they use.
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[snarfed] hmm, maybe, but I kinda doubt that
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[snarfed] oh sure, I buy that they're ok at OCR, just so much more heavyweight and immature
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[snarfed] maybe more importantly though, I'm guessing [tantek] was talking about higher level OCR apps/support built into phones, not bringing our own models
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capjamesg Yeah.
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capjamesg I'm curious what Apple does on the phone.
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capjamesg Their OCR is great.
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capjamesg [snarfed] For fun: https://findthatmeme.com/blog/2023/01/08/image-stacks-and-iphone-racks-building-an-internet-scale-meme-search-engine-Qzrz7V6T.html
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capjamesg Scroll to "Upgrading the iPhone OCR Service Into An OCR Cluster"
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[chrisaldrich] It doesn't solve the "Google Problem" (using Google as a third party and allow access to their content), but Google Lens is good at scanning a photo and allowing one to copy/paste the text within it.
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sknebel not sure if Lens is sending stuff off or using Google's vision thing (MLKit? I think that was the name) on-device
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sknebel (which also would be available to apps)
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j​ackyalcine The newer versions do if the phone supports it, I'd imagine it'd fall back to an upload
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gRegor Trying a webmention to a Ghost site since it seems they support them for admin notifications at least: https://indieweb.org/Ghost#IndieWeb_Friendly
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gRegor Will update when I hear back from my friend I sent it to
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gRegor Webmention sent successfully, but they don't see anything. They said they need to update their server and Ghost version though, so maybe it's there just hidden, hah
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