#dev 2023-12-24

2023-12-24 UTC
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[jacky]
I'm not familiar with the correction that browsers do, does it fall back to something like a Basic Auth consent dialog?
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[jacky]
re: feed reader integrated with IndieAuth, I _vaguely_ remember fluffy doing some work on this?
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[jacky]
that said, I can see the case for _keeping_ this but mainly it being a engineering storage simplification thing versus like what you're suggesting
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[jacky]
prob would even permit refreshing those credentials more often
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gRegor
Ticketing for IndieAuth could, in concept, pass an access token to a microsub server, which could use it as a bearer token for an authenticated feed
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GWG
gRegor: That was the greatest use case
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[snarfed]
[manton] hmm! will look
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[snarfed]
[manton] your home page seems to have lost its mf2? https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://www.manton.org/
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[snarfed]
Bridgy isn't finding an h-feed or top-level h-entry's on your home page, so it's not able to find either synd links or links to the individual post pages. https://brid.gy/about#link
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[snarfed]
(sorry it's not surfacing this error better!)
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Loqi
[preview] [Hrefna (DHC)] I am not working with AP from a graph database.I am not working against a RDF data modelI am not dealing with RDF projectionsI am not an academic who is working with ontologies From a standards perspective: Every single time weirdness from RDF leaks ...
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[tantek]
AS2 << Criticism for using [[JSON-LD]] for extensions in AS2: https://hachyderm.io/@hrefna/111634273843633052
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Loqi
ok, I added "Criticism for using [[JSON-LD]] for extensions in AS2: https://hachyderm.io/@hrefna/111634273843633052" to the "See Also" section of /Activity_Streams_2.0 https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=91573&oldid=90734
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Soni
[jacky]: we think browsers ignore the userinfo entirely nowadays...?
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Soni
but the way we see it, "auth:" URIs are a taste of what things could be (composable URIs)
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Soni
(but without fully committing to it)
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Soni
(we wish we could have true composable URIs but it'd probably break everything)
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[jacky]
see I think that, somehow, as much as I feel like that I'm a nerd ™ , I have no idea how to grok RDF and ontologies
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[jacky]
and I say this as someone who's really tried (though mostly on my own, even as far as trying to fiddle with a "AI" project so long ago via https://github.com/jalcine/wintermute)
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Loqi
[preview] [jalcine] wintermute: :book: Central sources for a networked application framework.
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[jacky]
(ignore the name okay, lol, at least it didn't become a nexus of torment, just a fizzling reminder to not touch C++)
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[jacky]
also lol I put the bar too high for a project with docs, I don't do nearly as much as I did for this that I do now (but it's also only me)
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[tantek]
Lol wintermute, well that's quite an aspiration :)
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[jacky]
dang I'm trying to find the NLP project
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[jacky]
I got close enough to do a hand-rolled English grammar thing using this paper I found (called panlingua)
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gRegor
I'm with you on RDF [jacky], though have not tried hard to understand it, heh
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[tantek]
gRegor sounds like you have invested your time more wisely 🙏
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gRegor
haha, probably
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gRegor
for the longest time it was just "some namespace thingy I see in some RSS feeds"
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[tantek]
On another topic, is anyone watermarking or otherwise embedding in visible pixels a perms short link inside their photos or comics/illustrations posts?
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gRegor
what is watermark
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Loqi
A watermark is text such as a name, signature, domain, or graphic like personal logo that is overlayed on images such as photos, diagrams, and comics, commonly with transparency for theft protection & traceability, or with high contrast so viewers can easily see the original author https://indieweb.org/watermark
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[tantek]
permashortlink
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[tantek]
I.e. this comic has the domain embedded in it but is useless for finding the original: https://social.rebellion.global/@ExtinctionR/111593825965079060
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gRegor
Only other community example I know is [fluffy], looks like they use a signature and year https://beesbuzz.biz/comics/
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[fluffy]
Yeah signature and year is pretty common in webcomics
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[tantek]
Also unhelpful for finding the original
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[fluffy]
at some point I was planning on putting an automatic watermark function into Publ to allow putting in the page URL or whatever (and to also add it to the metadata) but I never got around to implementing it.
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[fluffy]
Many of my comics have transcripts which are searchable, although I never got around to fixing my comic section stylesheets to work with my search function
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gRegor
[tantek], fyi, your comic example has an http flickr image so it doesn't load on https https://tantek.com/2013/149/b1/bayesian
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[tantek]
Point being if you're going to embed text as long as airbearentertainment .com, surely you can use fewer characters to unambiguously embed a short domain and readable/typable short ID instead
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Loqi
[preview] [Tantek Çelik] Bayesian Picture a comic with four panels, featuring the same scene in each. There's a dialog between a woman with a ponytail reclining on a couch reading a book, and a man sitting on a rolling office chair, working at a desk with keyboard and uprig...
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gRegor
found via /comic
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[tantek]
gRegor good thing there's alt text! ;)
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[tantek]
"signature and year" sounds like 1900s era print methodology, not 2000s era web methodology
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[fluffy]
yeah, it is, but art attribution on the web is difficult
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[fluffy]
and there’s a huge problem with people posting their art with a signature and then other people just like, removing the signature or feeling entitled to seeing it “clean”
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[fluffy]
but also just putting it into metadata means the metadata *will* get stripped out, and putting a human-readable URL into the image is just going to annoy people
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[fluffy]
it’d be less annoying in one-off gag-a-day comics though, and those are the ones that have to worry most about being spread without attribution
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[tantek]
"Just going to annoy people" already disputed that with my point above that comics can share permashortlinks in *less annoying* space/chars than they currently only share domains so there is no excuse not to (improve on their existing behavior)
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Soni
can you make an atom feed that is also an rss feed?
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[tantek]
If airbearentertainment is ok to put in a comic, then so is a *shorter* permashortlink
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[jacky]
I should have stopped at the "namespace thingy" tbh lol, would have saved so much time
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Loqi
I agree
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[tantek]
Lol yes Jacky xmlnamespaces--
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Loqi
xmlnamespaces has -1 karma over the last year
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[jacky]
one thing about implementing web sign in is that the act of signing up is the same as signing in + "remember me" (in a way)
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Soni
I need to patch our publ for the web+feed thing...
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Soni
why does mastodon use rss anyway?
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