#dev 2023-12-27

2023-12-27 UTC
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] I'm updating /unmung accordingly
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[tantek] see and edit https://indieweb.org/unmung#unmung.com with more details if you wish
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[aciccarello] Looks like the ActivityPub fork doesn't want to be considered a fork
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[aciccarello] "Suffice it to say though: this is not a _fork_, this is not an attempt to supplant or replace ActivityPub in any way, shape, or form. This is simply an implementation guide for a project’s specific dialect, and for the project I have in mind it would be nice if I could solve a lot of problems that AP doesn’t presently solve today."
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[snarfed] afaik this kind of thing is commonly called a "profile" of a standard?
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[aciccarello] I haven't heard that term before but it makes sense
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[aciccarello] I want to do something similar for metaformats/link previews
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[snarfed] I think this kind of very-general protocol that needs a profile(s) for interop is what Tess called a polyglot? or at least related. https://tess.oconnor.cx/2023/09/polyglots-and-interoperability
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[snarfed] metaformats/link previews are definitely similar! multiple standards for doing the same thing, where people often implement more than one, side by side. vs a single overly-general standard that allows multiple ways to do the same thing
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[tantek] Polyglots and profiles are e totally different
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[tantek] Metaformats attempt to take the minimum necessary subset of proprietary markup that has been adopted, and fit it into a more sustainable and open approach. Also not polyglot
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[tantek] Metaformats in that way is taking a subset (profile) of proprietary meta tags and reformatting in an open and consistent vocabulary based on open standards
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[tantek] You shouldn't have to "do something similar" for metaformats / link previews because metaformats is already literally doing that "something similar" for link previews
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[snarfed] I think we're all violently agreeing
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[aciccarello] Lol, yes
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[snarfed] I definitely didn't mean that metaformats are or are similar to polyglots
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[snarfed] I meant that the collection of OGP + Twitter cards + HTML meta tags + Dublin core etc, taken as a whole, has some developer-facing characteristics similar to polyglots
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[snarfed] which metaformats correctly tries to address 😁
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[tantek] Dublincore--
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Loqi Dublincore has -1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] It's not part of the minimum set by any evidenciary measure
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[snarfed] sure
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[tantek] That said I need to incorporate the ideas in issues 3-5 ASAP
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[aciccarello] I need to make some make some progress on my metaformats blog posts.
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[aciccarello] Now that Christmas is over I'm hoping to have a chunk of free time to work on a couple things
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c​apjamesg I made a web component for flash cards: https://capjamesg.github.io/flashcard-web-component/
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c​apjamesg I'd love feedback / comments / to know if you'd find this useful!
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c​apjamesg I'm exploring ways to help people retain knowledge in what I read. I thought it would be nice if I could put together flashcards that show in educational blog posts in a "test your knowledge" section.
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[KevinMarks] It says Germany is the capital of Germany. Did an LLM make these questions?
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c​apjamesg That’s my laziness 🤣
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c​apjamesg These aren’t real questions.
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c​apjamesg I want feedback on the mechanism before polishing up the design etc
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gRegor When G is obviously the capital of Germany
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[KevinMarks] I'd say don't hide the question when you show the answer
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[Joe_Crawford] when seeking ui feedback users will ALWAYS comment on the placeholder text. They can’t not.
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c​apjamesg Lesson learned.
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c​apjamesg And I just realized I do this too.
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c​apjamesg [Joe_Crawford]++
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gRegor "Why is this all in Latin?"
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[Joe_Crawford] "It's called Greeked text" never seems to be an adequate reply.
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c​apjamesg https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/base wtf?
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[tantek] Lorem Ipsum but make it a continuous limerick
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gRegor Something specific on that page capjamesg, or just the general concept?
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gRegor I do find it funny it's "to use for all *relative* URLs in a document" then the note about Open Graph being like "nope", only absolute URLs for OGP. Oof.
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[tantek] OGP does not need explicit mentioning because the content model of the "content" attribute is text, not a URL.
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[tantek] technically "all _relative_ URLs in a document" is not correct either, it's "all _relative_ URLs in URL attributes (e.g. href, src, data) in a document"
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[tantek] like a base element is not going to apply to <p>/yo/here/is/a/relative/path.html</p>
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[tantek] that's worth correcting if someone wants to edit that article
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[tantek] then you can remove the OGP caveat completely since it uses the content attribute, which is not a URL attribute
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gRegor aha, had never made that connection. makes sense.
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