#dev 2023-12-26
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gRegor GWG, for your venue select element, have you considered using datalist? I like how it lets you type any part of a value and filters the matches. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/datalist
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Loqi Letterboxd is a silo for keeping track of films and reviews in what they call a "film diary" https://indieweb.org/Letterboxd
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jacky a initial draft of a fork of activitypub that's focused on interoperability (and eschewing JSON-LD from the looks of it) https://docs.google.com/document/d/13LuB6Z-C_drCLCEuCtNApX98zPG7XlTxGnwHQWN2Cf0/edit
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[KevinMarks] I think hrefna is doing what Ian did with html
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Soni we would like a CMS or SSG or something that has "this software is made with love by a queer trans person"
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# Soni anyone knows of any? (unfortunately publ doesn't)
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# Soni yes!
# Soni (but we do want feed links that actually work)
# Soni (no - we want feed links we can share with folks who may not use feeds yet)
# Soni what is fedilinks
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fedilinks" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "fedilinks is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Soni https://fedilinks.org/ (especially relevant is https://fedilinks.org/2 )
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[tantek] I'll point out that the Bridgy IG add-on is still listed, so it's not something protocol related AFAIK: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bridgy/
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# Loqi A browser extension (aka browser add-on) is a third-party addition to a browser enabling new features for users such as showing green verified checkmarks on confirmed identities, or the ability to reply to a post you are viewing using your own website https://indieweb.org/browser_extension
# [snarfed] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bridgy/ ? that's "the extension" too, right?
# [tantek] should https://indieweb.org/browser_extension link directly to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bridgy/ (instead of your blog post) ?
# [tantek] I suppose I should say "our browser extension page" to better imply on http://indieweb.org
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# [tantek] [snarfed] what URL should the first link in the list in this section link to? https://indieweb.org/browser_extension#IndieWeb_Examples
# [snarfed] oh, sure, I'll switch it to point to either AMO or maybe https://brid.gy/about#browser-extension
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "personal feed" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "personal feed is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek] personal feed is a [[feed]] of your posts and may refer to typical IndieWeb [[homepage]]s (sometimes separate pages) which have a stream of posts, also called a <dfn>profile feed</dfn> on [[silo]]s, and in developer or older blogging contexts, may refer to separate [[feed file]] of your posts.
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# [tantek] e.g. even an expression like "e.g. http://www.example.com is an alias for http://example.com" doesn't make sense unless you understand a very specific jargon-meaning of "alias"
# [Caleb_Hearth] True unless your DNS provider has CNAME flattening, i.e. ALIAS
# [Caleb_Hearth] The complexities of “does this service support BYOD” complicate it sufficiently that “pointing” or “serving stuff” don’t cover it.
# [snarfed] like http://micro.blog, http://wordpress.com, and others
# [Caleb_Hearth] http://micro.blog / wordpress
# [Caleb_Hearth] heroku
# [snarfed] for them, I think http://micro.blog and http://wp.com with automatic domain registration and DNS setup, under the covers, serve them well
# [Caleb_Hearth] GH pages maybe because there’s not going to ever be a case where http://service.com/username/statuses can instead mean http://username.com/statuses.
# Loqi Generations was a 2014-era summary of a spectrum of potential IndieWeb adopters (beyond the oversimplified developer/user dichotomy) in a series of clusters that were expected to progressively adopt the IndieWeb for themselves and help onboard others; subsequently the community grew, both across generations & in other ways, and is working on replacing it with something more inclusive and up to date https://indieweb.org/generations
# [Caleb_Hearth] I think I missed the beginning of this conversation. What are you trying to achieve [tantek]?
# [Caleb_Hearth] that’s true here but before that there was a convo in #indieweb
# [tantek] Context is chat here when it was added to the page: https://chat.indieweb.org/2023-01-06#t1673025172113700
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "external domain route" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "external domain route is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# gRegor They describe CNAME "CNAME (Canonical Name) records are used to point a subdomain to another hostname, as opposed to an IP address with a custom A record. A CNAME is often used to point the 'www' subdomain to the root domain (example.com) so that visitors may reach the site at either address. CNAME records cannot be applied to the root domain. Instead, use an ALIAS record."
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# [Caleb_Hearth] > gRegor, why would you ever use CNAME to “point the ‘www’ subdomain to the root domain”, which would then serve duplicate content, which is penalized by search engines, instead of setting up a server redirect from the ‘www’ subdomain to the root domain?
# [Caleb_Hearth] To allow the server to look at request.host and do that redirect if the request is not to the preferred hostname.
# [Caleb_Hearth] Or the custom record types that some providers use (ALIAS/“CNAME Flattening”, URL)
# [tantek] [Caleb_Hearth] I tried to structure the omg.lol page around the explanation you gave: https://indieweb.org/omg.lol#How_to_setup_a_domain
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "external domain" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "external domain is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [Caleb_Hearth] Better. “You should use your own domain” could use a reference. perhaps but maybe if you’re on this website you don’t need to be convinced.
# [tantek] [Caleb_Hearth] indeed. We could probably do a better job with expanding https://indieweb.org/personal-domain#Why
# [Caleb_Hearth] quick somebody write a blog post on their personal domain about why we should all be putting our content on our personal domains so we can link to it from there.
# [Caleb_Hearth] ↩️ hah, my blog’s backlog of ideas has this from Nov 26 of this year: “Everyone should have a website”
# [tantek] if your DNS registrar is different from your web host, I don't think your "good web host" can singlehandedly "handle setting up the www for you automatically", because if my understanding is correct, per [snarfed]'s explanation, you both need your webhost to do things, AND you need a "CNAME" at your DNS registrar to handle responding to the "www." subdomain of your domain
# [tantek] [Caleb_Hearth] re: "write a blog post on their personal domain about why we should all be putting our content on our personal domains", see the blog posts here: https://indieweb.org/why#Why_have_your_own_website and see if any of them resonate with you!
# [snarfed] as mentioned above, modern "good web hosts" like http://micro.blog and http://wordpress.com definitely can singlehandedly do that for you, along with all the rest of DNS and domain registration
# [snarfed] either via programmatic APIs to domain registrars and DNS services behind the scenes, afaik like http://micro.blog, and/or acting as both of those themselves, afaik like http://wordpress.com
# [tantek] programmatic APIs to domain registrars is a really good point [snarfed], so the follow up is, how do we know which DNS registrars support such APIs so we can list them first on the /domain_registrar page on the wiki?
# [tantek] "Acting as both of them" can be a trap and a (likely) path to losing control of your domain name just because you want to switch web hosts (e.g. you realize http://Wordpress.com is a dead-end in terms of IndieWeb building blocks support and want to move your blog somewhere else)
# [snarfed] both are bad. we can avoid both. I think "modern" "good" web hosts like m.b and http://wp.com have advanced considerably on both of these fronts
# [tantek] [snarfed] every example I've seen has been bad. If you've seen a good example of all-in-one setup that then lets you migrate one or both later without identity or permalink or content loss (maybe http://micro.blog? Not WP com from what I recall though maybe it's improved?)
# Loqi migration in the context of the indieweb refers to the process of moving your indieweb site from any one or more of one CMS / web host / DNS provider / URL design / domain name to another https://indieweb.org/migration
# [KevinMarks] I haven't. The problem was that I registered it so long ago that Google was actually using GoDaddy as a registrar, and whatever kludge they had set up 15 years ago fell through the cracks between them and I could not face the wrangling I'd need to do to deal with two crappy services.
# [KevinMarks] DNS is always fiddly. I put a txt record in my registrar's DNS to remind me I use AWS for subdomains
# [KevinMarks] Talking of enshittification
# Loqi [preview] [Maya] laptop of the magi: an annoyed iMessage antitrust anecdote https://maya.land/assets/me.gif