#dev 2024-02-02

2024-02-02 UTC
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jacky this page on sign in practices has been really helpful
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jacky prior-art++
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Loqi prior-art has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] That web. dev page?
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[Al_Abut] 🎥 calling all movie nerds - if I were to dip my toes into microformats and review a movie on my blog, is there anything specific to movies I should know about beyond the h-review info on the wiki?
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[Al_Abut] (context - going to watch Ferrari this weekend with a big glass of red because of today’s shocking news in the Formula 1 world)
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gRegor There's not many consuming use-cases for h-review yet, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. There's actually a proposal/experiment to extend h-entry with a review-of property instead.
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gRegor I would recommend starting with h-entry if you want to add any mf2
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gRegor emphasis on "yet", there's definitely discussions about aggregating reviews, benji, Sara, and others have been working on it
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gRegor The "check your posts" tool on https://indiewebify.me/ is good for checking your h-entry. Happy to answer any questions!
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gRegor Here's what it shows for one of my posts: https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2F2024%2F01%2Ftoday-is-january-13th%2F
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[Al_Abut] Great tips, thanks. That also queues up what is probably a larger discussion for an HWC night though, which is that my underlying drive for microformats right now is more of an intrinsic drive to tinker, I’m not really clear on any extrinsic benefits of where this stuff might get consumed.
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[Al_Abut] I stepped through your slides last night - very clear! - and that was one of my main question marks.
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[Al_Abut] Which is probably why I gravitated towards a specific one with movies, I seem to recall seeing a cool aggregator or two
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[tantek] [Al_Abut] since you're talking about *starting* to "review a movie on my blog", I suggest focusing on content design, not markup design.
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[tantek] Good content design is MUCH more important than worrying about any markup whatsoever
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[tantek] Get some experience with posting "plain text" movie reviews first, and that experience will help you focus on what aspects you might want some random consuming code picking up later.
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[tantek] what is plain text first
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "plain text first" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "plain text first is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] wat
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gRegor le gasp
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[Al_Abut] Ah, smart. Like I can go back and add little review cards later?
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[tantek] plain text first is /text-first_design
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Loqi ok
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[Al_Abut] And sort of retroactively microformatify existing pages after I build steam with the writing first? That appeals to my inner project manager.
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gRegor definitely can add later, yep
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[Al_Abut] Awesome, that makes it a lot more approachable. Thanks!
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gRegor A nice flexibility of microformats is that it shouldn't drive how you design the content itself, but make your existing content machine readable by adding some key classes
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[tantek] [Al_Abut] small simpler steps first, per microformats methodology
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[tantek] ^ 100% gRegor++
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Loqi gRegor has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (92 in all channels)
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[Al_Abut] Scope creep is the bane of my existence
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[tantek] [Al_Abut] I am here to help trim the scope by appealing to laziness and procrastination
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gRegor lol
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[Al_Abut] So much easier to squash at work than in personal projects, I don’t know what the psychology of that is.
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[Al_Abut] I do it so ruthlessly at work that I’ve often been called The Scope Hammer 🔨
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[Al_Abut] Like, crushing down a project to an MVP sparks joy in me
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[Al_Abut] I frigging love it
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[tantek] [Al_Abut] the acts of creation and editing are very different, in mindset, and emotionally
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[tantek] wrote a little about that here: https://tantek.com/2023/365/t1/capture-first-edit-publish-later
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] Writing about writing: capture first, edit & publish later. Braindump timely thoughts & experiences into as many draft notes as it takes, while ideas & memories are fresh. Collecting higher fidelity memories seems more important than editing past w...
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[aciccarello] This makes me want to consider improving my draft writing process
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gRegor [Al_Abut], I don't have video of that initial presentation, but I think I used it at IWC 2019 Austin, might be more helpful info in that: https://indieweb.org/2019/Austin/microformats
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gRegor Have not brought myself to re-watch myself, haha
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[Al_Abut] Ha! I feel you. I’ve been shooting videos of myself as cover letters for jobs and it’s like the “I hate my voicemail voice” times a hundred.
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[Al_Abut] But I appreciate the context, that would definitely help flesh out some of the nuance.
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_​tommys @tantek - i use Pikapods, so not strictly speaking self-hosted, but they have a really nice out of the box 'navidrome' that is 1 click setup, and from there you can manage it in their dashboard. i had to learn a lot about ssh, and go shopping around for clients and which would best suit me. sadly there isn't a really good iphone client, but Feishin on windows is amazing and still under rapid development
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_​tommys would be happy to talk you through the steps sometime if you're into it
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_​tommys https://www.pikapods.com/apps#:~:text=FROM%20%241.0/MONTH-,Navidrome,-Navidrome%20allows%20you
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_​tommys i feel like after setting it up and customising it, i could probably self-host myself now, but i literally couldn't find a hosting solution cheaper than Pikapods offered!
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[tantek] fascinating _tommys! worth documenting a stub page with your personal experience
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[tantek] what is Pikapods?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Pikapods" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Pikapods is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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_​tommys only other thing i could think of was an always-on raspberry pi, but that is outside my skillset atm, and since i have a working model i shifted my attention elsewhere 😄
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_​tommys [tantek]: they are a malta-based hosting company that let you deploy loads of open source apps. basically they give you a default setup of an inventory of cool apps for really cheap
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_​tommys [tantek]: cool, ok. i've not done one yet as i'm new, i'll look into it 🙂
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[tantek] what is create a new page
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Loqi If you want to start a page on the IndieWeb wiki, please read this page before doing so for reasons why, why not to, and how to do so — if you have any questions, please ask in the #meta chat channel https://indieweb.org/create_a_new_page