#dev 2024-02-09
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superkuh It's hard to believe Firefox took out feed auto-discovery and remove ability to display feeds. Such a shame.
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Loqi A social reader is a modern interactive reader that allows you to directly respond to posts (with a like, comment, etc) right there inline with posts as you read them (as people do in social media), in contrast to legacy feed readers which were one-way read-only experiences and provided no mechanisms to interact with or respond to posts https://indieweb.org/social_reader
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# superkuh If you ignore the "people in general" there's still enough weirdos on the net now to equal the activity of early net. What people in general do should not inform discussion as a goal. Web should always be in browser.
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[tantek] "What people in general do should not inform discussion as a goal" <-- I strongly agree with this for personal projects, clients, websites. However for pre-existing "mass market" tools, the proper thing to do is to prioritize the things that will positively impact more users. Hence "people in general" makes sense in that context as a way of helping more people.
# [tantek] the big difference in this case is that "RSS Reader" UI has been dead in the water for ~20 years, which is forever in technological terms. no one puts up with that except people who have nostalgia 20+ year old tech, which is an ever-shrinking subset. just like there are folks still building new command line tools, it's important to understand / prioritize such limited (and shrinking) audiences. if that's your hobby (to design for such
# superkuh People in general are already lost and doing bad thing. I very much expect them to never get involved outside of silos no matter what happens. Perhaps a bit of fatalism but doing anything for them seems like wasted effort. I get your point though. And there are many contexts, mostly commercial, where that's very true.
# cambridgeport90_ I still think that fat clients have their plaplace.
# cambridgeport90_ wow. *place. I can't type today.
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# cambridgeport90_ LoqiI'm glad the conversation went to where it did today...one of my project ideas is setting up a RSS Feed reader/site composer which runs on .net core and access the Wordpress and metaweblog apis. Not sure is sapphire is still here; they were into .net too, if I remember.
# cambridgeport90_ and wow. My fingers are alseep today, methinks.
# cambridgeport90_ wiggles the kinks out of my finger muscles.
# cambridgeport90_ Either way...you all know what I'm tryina say.
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mahboubine I am leaning towards php
# mahboubine thanks for the insight, capjamesg
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[KevinMarks] and sometimes one that has libraries for what you want to do, unless you enjoy writing libraries
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rubenwardy lol, I would not call php the best language :D
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# rubenwardy PHP--
# rubenwardy PHP is the C of web languages
# rubenwardy which is apt as some people really like C
# rubenwardy I'm sure :D
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[manton] [snarfed] Sorry if you’ve covered this before, but you weren’t planning on hosting a PDS for AT Proto, right? I’m trying to get a better long-term plan and I think I’m settling on running a PDS and improving replies between platforms (leaning on Bridgy in some cases, since that already works).
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# _tommys i'm interested in getting involved with an indieweb project, is there anything that would be good for a beginner programmer like myself to work on? maybe testing or something like that?
# _tommys i know a little bit of python and javascript, but only enough to get by for my own personal ends - i've not built something other people could use before
# rubenwardy Do you have your own website?
# _tommys yes, https://tsxyz.neocities.org
# rubenwardy There's an indieweb concept which is basically "make it for yourself, then share"
# rubenwardy what is make what you need
# Loqi Make what you need is an IndieWeb principle that helps creators focus on creating & publishing things prioritized by what they need & want for their own personal site https://indieweb.org/Make_what_you_need
# rubenwardy what is use what you make
# Loqi use what you make is an IndieWeb principle that encourages creators to use the applications, tools, libraries, code, designs, documentation that they create, in particular on their personal website, and the counterpart of the make what you need principle https://indieweb.org/use_what_you_make
# _tommys fair enough - well i made a tool that downloads my mastodon feed, and then imports it to my neocities site - and then i have javascript that reads the .rss and displays the most recent toots on the page. idk if that's valuable or not though 😅
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# _tommys i'd be happy to! but i've never done anything like that before, so i'd need to follow a guide
# _tommys is it simply a case of putting my code on github, and then explaining how it works?
# _tommys oh ok, so pretty straight forward then
# _tommys thanks folks!
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[aciccarello] _tommys, if you are looking to help with some existing projects there are a few listed on the wiki. For JS and Python see https://indieweb.org/Node.js#Libraries and https://indieweb.org/Python#Libraries
# [manton] [snarfed] I was thinking two (possibly) separate things… Running a PDS and also having replies on http://Micro.blog go back to Bluesky, whether someone is using the PDS or not. Right now, Bridgy will do a great job of sending replies to http://Micro.blog, and those posts show up, but when you reply, the reply is “stuck” on http://Micro.blog and doesn’t make it back to Bluesky.
# [snarfed] you then need to make Bluesky users that mirror http://micro.blog users, either eagerly or lazily, but that's try regardless of which PDS they're on
# [snarfed] it'll definitely be easier than implementing a PDS yourself inside http://micro.blog. the catch is you then have two copies of users and their posts that you need to keep in sync. which is doable, but may be prone to skew over time
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PDS" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "PDS is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi ok, I added "[[PDS]]" to the "See Also" section of /Category:jargon https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=93011&oldid=92964
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starrwulfe *sips coffee excitedly while watching Manton and Snarfed do the thing he came here to ask about ☕*
# starrwulfe Oh yes, how can I do this Capjamesg? I carry a coffee thermos around with me by habit like some people may have a pack of cigarettes!
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# Loqi PDS is an abbreviation for Personal Data Server, a part of federation in Bluesky's AT Protocol network; Bridgy Fed acts as a PDS https://indieweb.org/PDS
# Loqi PDX is the airport code for Portland International Airport, and is often (e.g https://indieweb.org/PDX
# Loqi PDX is the airport code for Portland International Airport, and is often (e.g. in the #indieweb chat) used a metonymy for the city of Portland, Oregon as a whole https://indieweb.org/PDX
# [aciccarello] The word metonymy is new to me!
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# [KevinMarks] Indieweb relevant metonyny?
# [KevinMarks] (the original article is still on the Atlantic website, but it's pay walled)
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