Loqimetaformats started as an April Fools joke concept to describe how to both publish using microformats class names and openly parse meta tags as a fallback for what should be in-the-body visible data, including backcompat with OGP, Twitter Cards, and meta author, description, and anything else real sites (like search engines) appear to consume https://indieweb.org/metaformats
[tantek]re-retrieving author info/properties (name, photo) for *every* post from someone's site/profile never made sense to me, so we should start with a caching strategy first, and then, for public sites/profiles, I think there's an opportunity there for shared caching as well
[tantek]it's like taking the exact opposite strategy of what Mastodon does with link unfurling. instead of DDOSing, we actively work to build solutions (maybe even protocols) that minimize redundant requests, in a distributed way
[tantek]tbh I would be using URL inspection for masto-info, like any permalink that starts with /@ at the root I would treat that /@ as the profile URL and then go from there
[tantek]any time I can hack a 99% correct URL string inspection approach over yet-another-http-request, I'll code the URL string inspection, and procrastinate the http request coding
[Joe_Crawford][gRegorLove] finally followed up on your 503 errors webmention against my site on 8 March 2024. I checked apache access logs for March 8: nothing for 173.236.141.174, error or not (another IP maybe?) and I don't have any logged php errors that indicate something specific around webmention on that date.
[tantek]aaronpk, I'm also wondering from a design perspective perhaps there is an incentives (and even safety?) model for showing icons only of people with h-cards, and for others showing an icon of the shared software they're using, e.g. a Mastodon icon instead for Masto-posts.
[tantek]communicating viewers (of your posts) that the responses/reactions from IndieWeb sites are (likely) more "real" than responses on shared instances
[tantek]in a way, it's re-purposing the icon to mean "this is the site that this response came from" rather than "this is the account that this response came from"
gRegorI wouldn't have thought mine did either, but `curl ifconfig.me` returned that. No worries! I need to keep better logs for errors on my end so I'll do that and try again soon.
Loqi[preview] [Tantek Çelik] Updated the auto-linking code¹ on my website last Sunday to handle a few more @-mention use-cases.
In particular:
* @-domains with dashes/hyphens like @sonja-weckenmann.de
* @-@ with (some) Unicode alphabetic characters like @briansuda@loðfíll.is...
[tantek]In particular, I do "plan to write that up at least as a minimal “list of use-cases and how they should work” auto-linking specification." which I intend to be a superset of all the @-mention @-@ things that j12t and others in fedi are handwringing about a bit
[tantek]hey since we're gathering data on this, who here has @-mentioned people on bluesky from their personal site? anyone? permalink of a post with an example?
[tantek]did you have to bend over backwards to hand-enter (code) some awkward URL format, or was there a simple and predictable @ or @-@ syntax you were able to use that "just worked"?
[snarfed]unlikely. they don't transform plain text @-mentions, you have to construct the mention explicitly under the covers in their "facets" rich text schema
[tantek][snarfed] why unlikely? Both Masto nor GH "don't transform plain text @-mentions", however obviously plenty of us are posting on our websites doing both (via a combination of doing the linking ourselves, and/or Bridgy (Fed) helping out with the fedi-translation)
[tantek]there's the questions of what you actually have to type into your post in your authoring process to do an @-mention, what does your code do after that to auto-link it, and what does any service you use have to do to propagate it to the specific format/syntax expected by the other side
[snarfed]none of Bridgy*, granary, etc transform arbitrary HTML into Bluesky facets yet. it feels difficult so far. details in GH links ^. I'd love to hear that I'm wrong, see PR(s), etc!
[tantek]For example: since last Sunday (8 days ago) I can now type "@github.com/snarfed" into a post and my auto-linker will hyperlink it to the right place and Bridgy Publish will make sure it shows up as an @-mention on GitHub which will notify you
[tantek]with zero need to do any http requests, which means it will be MUCH easier to implement, which means more implementations will do it instead of doing webfinger http somersaults
[manton][tantek] [snarfed] I convert links and hashtags in blog posts to Bluesky facets, but not @-mentions yet. All of facets is a little tricky but mentions probably especially so.
[manton]Right now if you type e.g. `@example.com` in a blog post in http://Micro.blog, it tries to send a webmention! I could include a Bluesky facet for the cross-post, but need to figure out how to juggle domain names that are both blogs and Bluesky handles. Haven’t really figured that out yet.
[Joe_Crawford] I have gotten 58. And I have been (rightly?) denied font, nobr, frame, frameset, param, spacer, big, marquee, blink
[schmarty] jacky++ wow!
Loqi metaformats started as an April Fools joke concept to describe how to both publish using microformats class names and openly parse meta tags as a fallback for what should be in-the-body visible data, including backcompat with OGP, Twitter Cards, and meta author, description, and anything else real sites (like search engines) appear to consume https://indieweb.org/metaformats
[tantek] I finally posted about my @-mention @-@ and @-path auto-linking improvements to my site and shared library: https://tantek.com/2024/070/t1/updated-auto-linking-mention-use-cases
[KevinMarks] Conflating what you type with what you look up is the original mistake that led Mastodon to pointless webfinger dependency
[manton] Right now if you type e.g. `@example.com` in a blog post in http://Micro.blog, it tries to send a webmention! I could include a Bluesky facet for the cross-post, but need to figure out how to juggle domain names that are both blogs and Bluesky handles. Haven’t really figured that out yet.