#dev 2024-05-14

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cophee WOOOOOO finally got webmentions working on a branch
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cophee thanks to https://chrisburnell.com/article/webmention-eleventy-setup/
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gRegor cophee++ nice!
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capjamesg wing_wingpang_com_[d]++
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sandra [snarfed]: FloatingGhost can be a li'l grumpy but other people replied in the thread (maybe you saw if you're subscribed): https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/issues/438
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cophee capjamesg[d]: oo i didn’t realise it changes based on the discord alias
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[tantek] Somewhat dev related, figured someone here might know, who was the first to say "The cloud is just somebody else's computer" or "The cloud is just someone else's computer"? Web searches fail to find origins
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cophee [tantek]: https://xkcd.com/1957/
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cophee maybe? on the second-last line
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[tantek] cophee, web search did find an article from 2016 that predates that XKCD, which criticizes the expression: https://www.zdnet.com/article/stop-saying-the-cloud-is-just-someone-elses-computer-because-its-not/
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cophee [tantek]: Oh!! Mybad, I have no idea then
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[tantek] No worries! It's hard to search for history on/of the web!
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[Murray] This is the earliest (by a couple of months to your post) that I could find: https://briangreenberg.net/2016/05/29/there-is-no-cloud-its-just-someone-elses-computer/
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[Murray] GPT-4 certainly tags out in 2016; any cited references earlier turn out to be hallucinations or lies (the article exists, but the publication date is later than 2016). Can't say that's the OP for that phrase, but seems to be around the time it was popularised. (Let's face it, it was probably some snarky tweet or Reddit post 😄)
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[Murray] /tags/taps/ woops 🤦‍♂️
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[Joel_Auterson] Doing some MF2 parsing related to webmention things and noticed the images in my posts all show up duplicated in the `photo` property in MF2! This is consistent across PHP and Go parsers - does anyone know why this is? Here's a pin13 example: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.joelotter.com%2Fnotes%2F2024%2F05%2F12-turbine%2F
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[tantek] [Joel_Auterson] be sure you are using u-photo correctly as a publisher, which is only for actual /photo posts, not "images in posts" in general.
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[tantek] (looking for the FAQ link on this)
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[Joel_Auterson] ah, hmm, i don't have a differentiation between notes with and without photos right now. could drop the `u-photo` but i think that would break bridgy publishing, might need to rework my post types
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[KevinMarks] Cloud used to mean the network, it becoming computation was a deliberate pitch, a lot of it driven by Salesforce
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[tantek] Do not use u-photo as a Bridgy Publish API
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[tantek] We need that in the BP faq
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[tantek] photo << if you're not sure if a [[note]] you are publishing is a photo post or not, then it's a note post, not a photo post.
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Loqi ok, I added "if you're not sure if a [[note]] you are publishing is a photo post or not, then it's a note post, not a photo post." to the "See Also" section of /photo https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=95206&oldid=88807
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[snarfed] [tantek] I'm curious what you mean by " Do not use u-photo as a Bridgy Publish API" ...? It's used u-photo (since the beginning) to determine which pictures to include in the syndicated post: https://brid.gy/about#picture
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[snarfed] sandra: thank you! appreciate it. honestly that issue isn't a top priority for me right now, but I'm happy to support people continuing to investigate it
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sandra [snarfed]: Yeah, busy times now that Bluesky opened the gates
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[tantek] u-photo (roughly) means this is a photo post
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[tantek] [snarfed] None of that is a 1:1 relationship with "determine which photos to include in the syndicated post"
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[tantek] Ergo, u-photo is NOT an API to Bridgy Publish
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[tantek] We've talked about this before, and determined that "u-featured" is a much more accurate semantic for "*include* this photo in this post" whereas "u-photo" means "make this a photo post with this photo"
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[tantek] Re: "since the beginning", yes we have had this mismatch and subsequent publishing errors and confusion before as well, which is why I thought it was an FAQ somewhere
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aaronpk is this a problem because people want a photo in an article to show up as an embedded photo on twitter when using bridgy publish?
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[tantek] Bingo. It's driven by link preview presentation feature, and embedded addition desires
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[tantek] Btw u-featured could also be used with a video URL
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[snarfed] ah, sure. u-photo is an API TO BP right now, but is it *appropriate to use* as an API to BP, agreed, probably not
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[aciccarello] Does bridgy support u-featured
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[Joel_Auterson] In my case this isn’t actually about featured images in link previews, it’s just that I have notes with photos in and also notes, no separate concept of a photo post. I can probably rework that.
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[aciccarello] I've struggled with the concept of photo posts too. I currently do have a separate type from notes which I'm not sure is the best approach. I want to keep my informative images to notes while photo posts show my better photos. At some point I might just mark all those photos with a "gallery" tag or something.
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[Joel_Auterson] Mm agree, there feels like a difference to me as you say
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[Joel_Auterson] I quite often post screenshots of WIP game stuff but I don't think of that as a "photo", as such
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[Joel_Auterson] [aaronpk] has an approach i like - the 'notes' section on the website does contain some images, whereas the 'photos' section is what i would call "actual photos", if that makes sense. would be interested to know how you distinguish them under the hood Aaron, my understanding is that https://aaronparecki.com/2024/05/13/20/duolingo for example would still be a "photo post" in microformats parlence? (also congrats, I'm just a few days
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[Joel_Auterson] short of 1000 myself!)
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[aciccarello] I'm within a month of 1000 days too!
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[snarfed] [aciccarello] yes! Bridgy Publish supports u-featured as well as u-photo. I'll add that to the docs
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aaronpk [Joel_Auterson]: this is part of my whole "don't treat post types as organizational" on my site
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aaronpk a lot of the things in /notes are actually photo posts by all definitions of a photo post, but I choose to post them at /notes instead of /photos, since my /photos page shows photos in a grid layout instead
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aaronpk my top-level pages do not explicitly sort by post type, instead i can choose which posts go into each arbitrarily
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aaronpk i used to have top-level pages based on post type and moved away from that model because it was too limiting
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[Joel_Auterson] Ah I see, are they sorted on category then? Or does your micropub endpoint consume some additional piece of info?
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aaronpk my micropub endpoint has some logic for sorting posts automatically, based on a combination of whether i've selected a category in the micropub client, what the micropub client is authorized to post to, and the contents of the post (whether it has a photo, a trip, what kind of trip it is, etc)
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[snarfed] updated the Bridgy docs to mention u-featured: https://brid.gy/about#picture
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[Joel_Auterson] Phew that was a fairly big job but I think I'm publishing proper photo posts now 🙂 https://www.joelotter.com/notes/2024/05/14-kato-train/
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[snarfed] [Joel_Auterson]++
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herbi Hello everyone! I'm trying to "normalize" my posting template (I'm using blogger). Something I need clarification on: If I make a reply to a post, I am the "p-author" and the person I am responding to is the "u-author" ?
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GWG herbi: Not exactly.
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GWG p- indicates plaintext and u- indicates a url
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herbi Ah....I have been reading the documentation and looking at source code etc.. and it's seems a bit confusion on my part on how I can credit the person I am responding to.
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GWG So, you would be the author of the reply. If your reply was marked up as a citation, it could have an author.
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GWG I usually use u-in-reply-to h-cite
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GWG There are a few different ways to approach this though
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herbi I may use citation but may need to check manually, in case the original author decides to delete or edit the post on their end, then I won't keep a copy of the actual content on display my side.
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gRegor What is reply
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Loqi A comment is a reply syndicated into the context of the original post https://indieweb.org/Reply
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gRegor https://indieweb.org/reply#How_To has some examples
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