#dev 2024-05-17

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aaronpk i'm going to be doing a quick demo of FedCM on webmention.io to the W3C community group next week
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aaronpk should i add this to events.indieweb.org?
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GWG aaronpk: That and record it?
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aaronpk i don't think the meeting is recorded
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[tantek] Aaronpk, you could record the demo beforehand and play it for the FedID CG, then also share the recording after
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aaronpk i prefer to do a live demo :)
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[tantek] I mean you can do both
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[tantek] Pre-recording will make it smooth and then you can wing it differently with a variant etc
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[tantek] Or ask the meeting folks if they'd like to see a different variant!
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GWG I think aaronpk does well live
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[tantek] I think he does well both recorded and live! Having watched a bunch of his video gadget demos, they are very tightly edited and go much quicker than if you try to do everything "live", and thus have a stronger impact IMO
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GWG [tantek]: He hasn't done the gadget video I'm waiting for
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aaronpk uhoh what is that
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GWG aaronpk: Low budget production tech? Linux and the Atem Mini....what if you have a face for radio?
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cophee i really liked this video
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cophee I feel like it's short + sweet + easy for non-tech people to understand
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cophee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKU4RFifCIU&t=21s
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IWDiscord <c​ophee>
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GWG Feel free to answer that in -chat
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cophee i found that it was a challenge to find videos that were under 10min about the IndieWeb when I was looking for an easy explanation for my survey
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GWG My favorite aaronpk Indieweb video is build a Micropub server in 45 minutes
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cophee GWG: do you have a link to it? would love to see it
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/2018/Baltimore/micropub
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GWG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qka8P26ujP0
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GWG aaronpk: Beat me to it
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GWG It was an impressive demo of how simple Micropub can be
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cophee thank you!!!
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cophee i really want to get micropub working on my site 😄
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GWG It took me a while to get that
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[aciccarello] Me too. I'm really thankful to Indiekit for making that easier for static sites.
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cophee weird thing happened when i tried to create a cloudflare page
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cophee https://2023-portfolio-dij.pages.dev/
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cophee all my javascript stopped working
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Loqi [preview] Wing Pang
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cophee nvm i think I know why
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cophee was missing a quotation mark I think
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pcarrier wing_wingpang_com_[d] how's the experience with cloudflare pages?
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cophee pcarrier[d]: it seems pretty much the exact same as netlify for me (since I only have a static website)
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cophee migrating was really easy since i registered my domain through them as well
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cophee but im very noob to development stuff so can't really say 😆
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pcarrier yes you can, you're a key target demographic 🙂
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cophee pcarrier[d]: 😃 happy to hear i can help!!
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cophee pcarrier[d]: decapcms got broken and trying to get it to work again
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cophee really weird since it works locally after auth but blanks out in prod
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pcarrier I have zero experience with decap I'm afraid
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cophee 😔 that's ok!!
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cophee @sknebel hi!
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cophee i'm not too sure actually
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sknebel so a usual problem is that webmention stuff of course is automated requests, and WAFs etc detect that
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sknebel we've had some arguments with webhosting companies about that...
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cophee i'm using a static website generator so i think it only loads when i build it
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cophee but currently webmentions.io doesnt seem to be getting test webmentions from webmention.rocks either (even though the test said it's successful)
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cophee 😭 I think I'll look at it a bit later–need to do assignment!
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cophee I think I know why?
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cophee maybe
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aaronpk i need a name for this FedCM proxy service
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GWG aaronpk: Stereoscope?
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herbi I now have valid h-card and h-entry using blogger!
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[tantek] cophee for a 10min-ish overview video about indieweb, there's the 2014 PDF talk
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[tantek] What was PDF
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Loqi PDF is an abbreviation typically for either Portable Document Format (see pdf;dr), or Personal Democracy Forum, an annual conference where several IndieWeb and microformats related talks & sessions have been held https://indieweb.org/PDF
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Loqi tell Tantek to review https://brid.gy/about#picture for u-featured vs u-photo vs u-video and file any necessary PRs to tweak, edit /u-photo and /u-video accordingly
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Loqi Countdown set by [tantek] on 2024-05-15 at 3:09pm UTC
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[tantek] cophee there a 5min and a 13min talk here https://indieweb.org/videos_about_the_indieweb#Featured_videos
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capjamesg herbi++
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Loqi herbi has 1 karma over the last year
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capjamesg Nice!
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oblivxi0us I'm building a IndieWeb-based website and I'm working on the CMS. I already implemented an IndieAuth endpoint, and I was wondering whether it'd be possible to use IndieAuth as auth for the CMS itself. Is that a smart/wise thing to do?
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aaronpk you can't really use indieauth to log in to your own indieauth server as yourself, because how do you log in the first time?
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aaronpk but you could use relmeauth to log in to the CMS
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oblivxi0us The IndieAuth endpoint is based on Selfauth (a PHP project I found on the wiki) and uses a password. I was wondering if I can somehow tell the CMS "use that for login" easily.
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aaronpk oh i guess yeah if it has a password then that works
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aaronpk sorry i was thinking of it as "log in to the indieauth server using indieauth" rather than "log in to the cms using indieauth"
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aaronpk ahhh my logs are so much nicer now that I turned off pingbacks on webmention.io
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aaronpk if you actually want them you can turn them on in settings, but i turned them off for everyone just now
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cophee [tantek]: Thanks!!!
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[Joe_Crawford] `// TODO unbullshitize this` says the comment in the code when I discover something misbehaving. Yes, I totally agree, past me. Let's bother future me with this one.
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[Joe_Crawford] In non-bug, non-b.s. news, I added respect for `@media screen and (prefers-color-scheme: dark)` to my site and I think it mostly works - artlung dot com. I still have to vet some of my pages and content. I think I've got 95% of it. (Of course it's the 5% that gets you!)
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[Joe_Crawford] I'm opting not to provide a dark-light switcher for now but may change that in future. Respecting the user preference satisfies my goal.
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[tantek] lol that code comment
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oblivxi0us I'm reading the IndieAuth docs and one thing isn't fully clear to me: how does the token endpoint *know* whether the authorization code is valid and the code_verifier matches the code_challenge, without talking to the authorization endpoint? Do they need to be on the same server with some common database?
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aaronpk they typically are yes
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aaronpk if you really wanted to you can do your own coordination between the two to avoid sharing a database
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oblivxi0us so it's not possible to use the IndieAuth.com token endpoint in combination with selfauth? (https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth)
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Loqi [preview] [Inklings-io] selfauth: self-hosted auth_endpoint using simple login mechanism
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aaronpk well tokens.indieauth.com is still using the older spec where the token endpoint sends the authorization code to the authorization endpoint to check it
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oblivxi0us is that a bad thing to do?
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aaronpk eventually i'm going to replace indieauth.com and tokens.indieauth.com with a new service so i would not recommend pursuing using either of them long term, but it's fine if you just want to test something out to get something going
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oblivxi0us Okay. I think I'll keep using tokns.indieauth.com for now and then I can implement my own token endpoint later. Thanks for the info :)
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GWG aaronpk: Have recent FedCM thoughts given you interest in pursuing that in the short term? I have no stake in that, but, curious
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aaronpk yes, actively working on it
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GWG aaronpk: I meant pursuing your IndieAuth.com replacement
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk doorkeeper is a good name. that's the name of the oauth ruby gem
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aaronpk i want something like that for the new name of this service
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aaronpk ok indieauth people, what do you think of this? https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/issues/133
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Loqi [preview] [aaronpk] #133 Update client information discovery method
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aaronpk if we do this, there's a good chance we can get mastodon and indieauth to be compatible
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GWG It looks promising
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