#dev 2024-05-22

2024-05-22 UTC
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reillypascal I saw that https://webmention.io is refusing to load and says it's getting too many requests for the last several hours. Does anyone know if there's something unusual going on there?
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reillypascal Ope, it just came back on, nevermind!
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aaronpk Oh since you're only on the web client you can't see anything I'm saying 😂
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[tantek] there's going to be a few hours of confusing logs 😂
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aaronpk Loqi is back!
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[Joe_Crawford] What is downtime?
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Loqi 🚧 downtime is the time period or duration while a site, whether indieweb, commons, or silo, is offline and unreachable https://indieweb.org/downtime
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[Joe_Crawford] Aaronpk++ yes back!
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Loqi Aaronpk has 46 karma in this channel over the last year (130 in all channels)
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[Joe_Crawford] Brutal outage
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[tantek] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 47 karma in this channel over the last year (131 in all channels)
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[snarfed] I wonder how many wm senders keep retrying after a few hours of downtime. probably not many
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[Joe_Crawford] Anything we can do aaronpk?
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[snarfed] fwiw, Bridgy classic does, Bridgy Fed doesn't
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aaronpk heh
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[snarfed] agreed, :hugops: aaronpk!
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aaronpk or activitypub senders for that matter
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aaronpk Oh hey I'm getting some mastodon deliveries from during the outage
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[tantek] Nice
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[tantek] What is UX first
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Loqi User experience, often abbreviated as UX, refers to the total experience a user has with a tool, or even an entire company, across all methods of communication and interaction with that tool, including both direct interactions using a tool UI and indirect interactions via other tools such as email, SMS, phone calls, in-person human representatives of the tool or company, etc https://indieweb.org/UX-first
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[tantek] UX << 1997 customer experience first, technology second: https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/C7QEgDmvE-W/
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Loqi ok, I added "1997 customer experience first, technology second: https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/C7QEgDmvE-W/" to the "See Also" section of /user-experience https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=95408&oldid=92069
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reillypascal aaronpk: my bad, I was having trouble viewing the web client, and I must have forgotten I already asked the question!
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[KevinMarks] AP as a transition tech to AT? https://kyefox.com/activitypub-might-be-a-transitional-technology/
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aaronpk "Don't be surprised if smaller platforms, including those with or adding support for ActivityPub like micro.blog and Ghost, start adding AT protocol support over the next few years the same way Mastodon started with OStatus, then supported both OStatus and ActivityPub, then switched entirely to ActivityPub."
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capjamesg [snarfed] How do I convert a JSON feed to RSS with the granary Python package?
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capjamesg [tantek] That's a great video!
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capjamesg [snarfed] https://granary.io/url?input=jsonfeed&amp;output=rss&amp;url=https://jamesg.blog/pwc/?url=/task/zero-shot-object-detection/latest is returning blank entries 😦
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capjamesg [snarfed] Atom conversion worked.
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cophee [snarfed] getting this error when I try to follow people using bridgy:
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cophee Not sure if it's a bug or if I'm using microformats wrong on my site
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cophee I have it tagged as u-url in my h-card on my home page
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cophee Also have some instructions for adding redirects for Cloudflare Pages using Redirect Rules (took some time to figure it out):
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cophee 1. Click on the domain from the Home page (i.e. wingpang.com)
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cophee 2. On the left sidebar, go to Rules > Redirect Rules
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cophee 3. Create two rules (with any name) using the following config
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cophee (Make sure that 1. operator is set to contains and value doesn't use the wildcard and 2. "Preserve query string" is enabled)
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[snarfed] capjamesg hmm! sorry, will look
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[snarfed] granary docs are at https://granary.readthedocs.io/ . they're missing examples for format conversion, I should add some. in general, you convert from the source format to AS1, and then from AS1 to the destination format
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[snarfed] eg for JSON Feed => RSS, you'd do `rss.from_activities(jsonfeed.jsonfeed_to_activities(feed))`
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[snarfed] https://granary.readthedocs.io/en/latest/source/granary.html#module-granary.rss , https://granary.readthedocs.io/en/latest/source/granary.html#module-granary.jsonfeed
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[snarfed] (https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/482 is another easy todo that would make this a bit easier)
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[snarfed] cophee hmm! where specifically are you seeing that error?
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[snarfed] capjamesg I see the bug. thanks for reporting! will fix. granary's jsonfeed support is (probably) underutilized, glad you're putting it through its paces
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aaronpk another successful webmention.io login through FedCM! https://github.com/fedidcg/FedCM/issues/240#issuecomment-2125440327
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Loqi [preview] [mfosterio] Great work! Sam and I walked through configuring SSO and FedCM together and it it was a success. On to the next step! Be sure you have a domain pointed to static environment http webserver that you can add a ./well-know folder to with web-identity...
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[snarfed] aaronpk++ love it
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Loqi aaronpk has 48 karma in this channel over the last year (133 in all channels)
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aaronpk i'm so glad i realized i had a reasonably fast way to get a real app to use this!
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pcarrier surprised at how good geolocation is on Mac. how do they do it? o_O
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[snarfed] mostly wifi afaik
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pcarrier so Apple collects wifi networks and correlates them with GPS data?
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[Joe_Crawford] https://krebsonsecurity.com/2024/05/why-your-wi-fi-router-doubles-as-an-apple-airtag/
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aaronpk i was gonna say there was just an article about this
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[snarfed] many people/co's do, not sure whose data Apple is using, but yes
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aaronpk but yeah this is not new, google has been doing this for ages too
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[snarfed] among others
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[snarfed] wardriving for fun and profit
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aaronpk i contributed a bunch of data to this open source version for a while https://www.wired.com/2010/03/where-20-geomena-launches-api-to-feed-its-open-location-database/
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pcarrier added geolocation to https://www.ident.me/ and it's creepy how precise the location is
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pcarrier it knows where I am in the building…
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pcarrier (also incredible how good openstreetmap is, but I digress)
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[Joe_Crawford] I don't have any WiFi networks close enough to my apartment with the `_nomap` suffix which supposedly robots.txt's you out of their data. But there is an SSID name that's named "What's the WiFi" which is a great name.
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[snarfed] capjamesg thanks again for the report, that granary bug is fixed at head and deployed to the REST API
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[tantek] there was even a site for citizen mapping of wifi networks, I forget the name of it, a bunch of us contributed to it back in the day (mid-2000s).
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aaronpk geomena!
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[Joe_Crawford] Using MacStumbler on the train from San Diego was amazing. So many dings.
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[Joe_Crawford] https://artlung.com/blogosphere-part-1/#trn533