#dev 2024-05-28
2024-05-28 UTC
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capjamesg[d] My new static site generator can render 4000 markdown files in 1.3-1.6s. 11ty reports 1.93s for generating 4000 markdown files.
# capjamesg[d] (Not apples for apples because I'm not sure what contents were in the 11ty test files.)
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[KevinMarks] Hugo is one to benchmark against ime
# capjamesg[d] I'm not as fast as Hugo, and I'm probably not going to get it that fast.
# capjamesg[d] I'm using jinja2 for templating right now. That and the `frontmatter` library, which depends on `yaml`, constitute most of the generation time.
# capjamesg[d] [KevinMarks] You wouldn't happen to know ways to speed up jinja2? 😄
# [KevinMarks] I haven't looked at in detail, no. You could use the python profiler and see where it's spending time, and check that the template compiler and bytecode cache are behaving the way you want.
# [KevinMarks] the other way that might be fun would be to use http://honeycomb.io to instrument the app and look at the traces
# capjamesg[d] I have been using cProfile and snakeviz thus far.
# [KevinMarks] reading the docs, it looks like Jinja2 is designed to cache and reuse templates, so it should be mostly working in memory while building your site
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# capjamesg[d] Yeah. It looks like < 0.2s is from jinja now I'm looking further. 0.3s is from python-frontmatter, which I use to process yaml.
# capjamesg[d] (Code for context: https://github.com/capjamesg/aurora)
# capjamesg[d] In the `aurora/graph.py` file.
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] I wonder if using a simpler (yet more constraining) template language like Moustache or Handlebars might be quicker than Jinja2?
# capjamesg[d] The biggest issues now are file management (0.6s for 4k files).
# superkuh If you make everything HTML instead of mark-up the combining the HTML fragments is really fast.
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# capjamesg[d] Zegnat Any Python file IO performance tips? Stack Overflow and ChatGPT have thus far been mostly unhelpful.
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pcarrier[d] capjamesg[d] spawning threads
# capjamesg[d] Threading adds too much overhead.
# [KevinMarks] Feed reader woes https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2024/05/27/feed/
# superkuh Could just do like science.org/aaas does and only allow "feed readers" if they're incorporated (ie, feedly).
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# Soni y'know, we hate how "move things you want ppl to set up to -dev"
# Soni it really helps to kill the project
# Soni like yeah we get it don't use jargon, but the solution is not to move it here it's to not use jargon
# [Joe_Crawford] It's about consideration of the time of others in the community
# Soni (btw you should absolutely change the Loqi message to remind ppl not to use jargon instead of just moving everything over to here)
# [Joe_Crawford] So picking up where the search indexing conversation was...
# [Joe_Crawford] what is bridgyfed
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Loqi Bridgy Fed connects IndieWeb sites with Mastodon & other fediverse instances, allowing users on those networks to follow your IndieWeb site, including receiving notifications, reading, and replying to your posts https://indieweb.org/BridgyFed
# capjamesg[d] Soni, #indieweb is intended to be accomodating for everyone, irrespective of their knowledge of programming or development. Any technical discussions should happen here.
# Soni well we don't want the technical discussions, we want something we can install and solve our problem with
# Soni but if you want the techncial discussions: if universal web search is colonialism and nobody's gonna bother to make a local web search (index sharing) protocol then the easiest solution is to piggyback off of mastodon and shove your entire corpus into it and let it build its own index (as inefficient as that may be)
# Soni if we can't make it good, then we should at least make it work
# [Joe_Crawford] BridgyFed strikes me as something to get you closer to the goal of visibility in Fediverse/Mastodon
# Soni we don't want to deal with webmentions or replies or whatever
# Soni and relying on a third-party is unideal
# [Joe_Crawford] If you’re unwilling to reckon with the details I’m not sure there’s a plausible way to satisfy you
# Soni didn't someone come up with a way to make mastodon posts using a static webserver?
# [Joe_Crawford] I do think I’ve seen simple implementations of Fedivdrse protocols
# [Joe_Crawford] Further while you don’t need webmention, replies may be part of the bargain of being in Fediverse. But whether they propagate to your site would be up to you. I think.
# Soni so for the static webserver approach we'd just have 2 web roots based on the Accept header
# Soni and then we'd have a tool to handle pushing it out to instances
# Soni okay, so we guess we do need to handle follow requests somehow...
# [snarfed] if you want something self hosted, there are definitely "minimal activitypub" projects for adding support to web sites! pcarrier was asking about the same thing the other day. https://github.com/aaronpk/nautilus , https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk , https://codeberg.org/seppo/seppo#seppo , etc
# Soni we don't need a proper fedi server for that, we can just store them (with limits) and go through them manually
# Soni a follow request is just a POST message tho, isn't it?
# Soni yeah but that's the easy part, and the signed request can be sent at any later date
# Soni we can just store the request.json and use a different script (not part of the webserver) to send the accept
# Soni (this different script would also handle pushing out the posts)
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# Soni (and this different script probably doesn't need to run on the actual server?)
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aaronpk oh and this one of course https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2018/06/how-to-implement-a-basic-activitypub-server/
# Soni (why does it use fucking rsa in 2024; well anyway...)
# Soni so basically, yes, this should be a webserver plugin, mod_fedi or something
# Soni (hmm, we don't know how to make those...)
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# [Joe_Crawford] Thanks [aaronpk] I feel like I learned a lot about the pieces of this real fast. Not something I'm looking to do but knowing the pieces super helpful. And [snarfed] thanks too.
# [Joe_Crawford] Aside: `text-wrap: balance` has made so many pages on my site much nicer to scan. Trying not to add it everywhere because the docs allude to a performance hit but so far I like it a lot. For headlines and short captions it's great. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/text-wrap
# [KevinMarks] did you try text-wrap:pretty too?
# [Joe_Crawford] Have not tried. Putting into my quiver for next time I'm looking at body copy! Thanks [KevinMarks]++
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[tantek] This: "But I really want to streamline the CMS I’m using, without having to go to a full static site build." (from https://chronosaur.us/2024/05/28/never-enough/ shared on main)
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# pcarrier[d] if someone has ideas for what/how to build a minimally dynamic hosting provider
# pcarrier[d] something that would allow for "CMSes" without eg arbitrary PHP for all visitors
# pcarrier[d] I'd be down to build experiments
# [snarfed] also sounds like http://micro.blog's Hugo themes support
# Soni mastodon is a mistake tbh
# Soni it doesn't even have *audits*
# Soni (the feature)
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starrwulfe to add to the minimal activitypub instances, here’s a few I’ve played with previously:
# starrwulfe grunfink/snac2: A simple, minimalistic ActivityPub instance
# IWDiscord <starrwulfe>
# IWDiscord <starrwulfe>
# starrwulfe Single user activityPub based blog engine.
# IWDiscord <starrwulfe>
# starrwulfe jlelse/GoBlog: Simple blogging system written in Go
# amyiscoolz GoToSocial is written in go as well, but it's in alpha state rn afaik
# [Joe_Crawford] I keep looking at my various huge stashes of links over the years and systems like these and wonder if there's a match - if I maybe want to syndicate across services. I keep landing on the fact that what I need is a tool to manage my own links for myself. I am loathe to use custom post types to import individual links and link groups into WordPress even though that's where all the other stuff on my site keeps getting absorbed into.
# [Joe_Crawford] I used pinboard to absorb links I tweeted out so I have... a lot. 😕
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# [KevinMarks] Yeah me too. I need to make something to look them up for myself now Maciej has given up.
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# [Joe_Crawford] I know I've mentioned a vague "let's have a music/scrobbling popup" but a "link management" showcase/discussion might be more relevant.
# [Joe_Crawford] or more acute, for my own selfish reasons. 🙂
# capjamesg[d] I would love this!
# [Joe_Crawford] I'll be in EU meetup (planning to) let's talk scope in there tomorrow!
# [Joe_Crawford] Or heck, if you have a notion James, I'm interested. 🙂
# [Joe_Crawford] or - sorry, not EU. UK. 😐
# capjamesg[d] [Joe_Crawford] Relevant: https://jamesg.blog/2024/05/28/personal-archives/
# Loqi Pinboard is a silo for hosting bookmarks that you may POSSE to using the WordPress Syndication links plugin https://indieweb.org/Pinboard
# [Joe_Crawford] I can't tell myself gRegor. I don't see shutdown notices in the pinboard X dot com account