#dev 2024-06-21

2024-06-21 UTC
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jimwins
follow your nose?
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gRegor
what is follow your nose
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Loqi
👃 follow your nose is an intentional principle for designing discovery algorithms that start with the specific URL you want to discover things about, retrieving headers or contents, and parsing for particular link rel values to URLs to the desired information, in contrast to the “well-known” approach of looking outside the specific URL, like using only its domain and a hardcoded path https://indieweb.org/follow_your_nose
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jimwins
gotcha, was looking for that in the 'Brainstorming' section of the link and got confused.
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[develumpen]
Last night I pushed a PR to http://micropublish.net to add the possibility of uploading images directly from the text editor.
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[develumpen]
Because Trix (the text editor) adds custom properties to the generated HTML, I decided to "clean" the code before posting it to the micropub endpoint.
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[develumpen]
Feel free to review and comment
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[develumpen]
Do you think is a good idea to use the image's caption as an _alt_?
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Loqi
[preview] [gorka] #117 Upload images from Trix editor
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[mattl]
what is indiekit?
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Loqi
Indiekit (GitHub repo) is “the little Node.js server with all the pieces needed to own your content and share it with the wider independent web” https://indieweb.org/IndieKit
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gRegor
I'm trying to find the site that gave examples of system fonts and best practices, anyone remember that?
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starrwulfe
yeah, hang on...
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starrwulfe
THat's it
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gRegor
thanks!
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capjamesg[d]
I have just open sourced a tool for prettifying titles so they are consistent, ideal for bookmarking: https://github.com/capjamesg/title-prettier/blob/main/README.md
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AramZS
Nifty! I've been needing to clean up logic on my posted bookmark tool. Thanks for posting capjamesg[d]!
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capjamesg[d]
AramZS One of the big things that has stopped me from bookmarking is the titles often contain a lot of information I don't want. Such information makes the lists hard to skim.
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capjamesg[d]
A domain, maybe with a subpath, is enough authorship context anyway.
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[tantek]
SEO-- for motivating and driving title element pollution
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Loqi
SEO has -1 karma over the last year
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[tantek]
capjamesg[d] I wonder if we could come up with some counter-guidelines, that is, something like: How to write titles for humans instead of robots (good web UX rather than SEO)
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[tantek]
so that like your use-case, bookmarking, would work nicely like you expect it to
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capjamesg[d]
those would be nice guidelines to have.
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AramZS
Yeah, especially because the complications added to headlines are so varying these days that the Readability Library gave up on trying to clean up titles a few versions ago. They're what I use for my archiving site (it's built into PressForward)
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AramZS
The really weird thing is that it actually is terrible for SEO and SMO to have your site's title in the title tag... it's more a human/brand ego thing than it is an SEO thing, or folks who are out of date on the latest practices.
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capjamesg[d]
Should my blog posts not have my site title!
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capjamesg[d]
Are there accessibility concerns?
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[tantek]
capjamesg[d] FWIW I put "blog post name — Tantek" so my name/authorship is in the title element, specifically for (searching) bookmarks/history. But I leave out the ".com"
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[KevinMarks]
It depends on context - having the site in it is helpful as part of the context in-browser when you're searching though open tabs
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AramZS
Hmmm it isn't an SEO thing, that's all I was thinking of but that's a really great point, what is the a11y standards? It looks like it isn't required but is recommended to include the site title - https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20161007/G88.html
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AramZS
I hadn't thought of that
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AramZS
capjamesg[d]++
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Loqi
capjamesg[d] has 42 karma in this channel over the last year (202 in all channels)
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AramZS
Oh, maybe there was some confusion about the ref to the Readability library, that isn't an a11y thing, it's a scraping tool for pulling information about sites - https://github.com/mozilla/readability
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Loqi
[preview] [mozilla] readability: A standalone version of the readability lib
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[tantek]
What is Readability
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Loqi
Readability was a bookmarking and reading related service that shut down 2016-09-30 https://indieweb.org/Readability
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[tantek]
^ that could use an update if you're interested AramZS!
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AramZS
[tantek] I can just update the wiki right?
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[tantek]
yes you may! especially if/when you can add more up to date information with links to the substantiating citations!
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[tantek]
also if you like, would be great to see a feature request to Readability to support parsing h-entry in particular for higher fidelity handling of all the blog posts that use it
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capjamesg[d]
I love Readability, the Mozilla project.
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[tantek]
feel free to cc: me (@ tantek) on it too
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[tantek]
yeah, ok to update the /Readability page to describe the current thing, and then move the existing stuff about the past thing to a historical section.
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[tantek]
might be worth double-checking what links to that page also and fix-up accordingly
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AramZS
Def, will queue that up
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[manton]
[aaronpk] @GWG Minor typo in that client_id spec… “and needs to to provide the server”. Do y’all have a basic example JSON URL you’re testing with?
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aaronpk
you can try it with indielogin.com now
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aaronpk
the `client_id` that indielogin.com uses for indieauth is now https://indielogin.com/id
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[manton]
Excellent, thanks.
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aaronpk
i decided it was a relatively backwards-compatible change and just shipped it
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GWG
The spec PR I wrote that is awaiting feedback or the broader draft that aaronpk wrote?
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[manton]
I’m adding server-side support in http://Micro.blog for any clients using the new cient_id. Will roll it out in the next couple of days.
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[manton]
Updating iOS/Android apps is a little more work.
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GWG
[manton]: If it is my PR, did I describe it clearly you think?
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aaronpk
[manton]: amazing thanks. i'm going to present this at the next IETF meeting next month
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GWG
aaronpk: I guess I need to release the WordPress version. Will see if pfefferle has a review
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[manton]
@GWG Yep, I think so. Thanks for sharing that.
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GWG
[manton]: I enjoy the challenge of writing it