#dev 2024-07-17

2024-07-17 UTC
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bennyp
hello! I'd like some help debugging my h-card at https://bennypowers.dev. There's a .u-photo in my .h-card, but it is not detected at https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbennypowers.dev%2F
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Loqi
[preview] bp
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capjamesg[d]
bennp It looks like you may have to h-cards on the page?
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capjamesg[d]
*two h-cards
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capjamesg[d]
Wait, no.
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capjamesg[d]
I ran it through the pin13 microformats tool https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbennypowers.dev%2F. It shows two h-cards but you only have one on the page.
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Loqi
[preview] Benny Powers
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bennyp
good times!
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bennyp
is there an inverse of `hidden=from-humans`?
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bennyp
the header nav markup is duplicated for mobile responsive purposes
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bennyp
maybe i should just prefer to put the whole h-card in a hidden=from-humans and have two separate content elements, one for web, one for indieweb
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bennyp
i have a .vcard on the page
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bennyp
that's probably the issue
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bennyp
thank you @capjamesg
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dwargstof
if anyone is interested in giving me pointers, here's my site. It's shaping up to be a mix of editorials about my experience in tech and a place to document messing around with stuff in my collection. The goal is to stick with only HTML/CSS, and focus on the writing as I improve my voice. I don't have very many readers that I know of, yet, but I am happy to link your site on my links page if you want.
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IWDiscord
<d​wargstof>
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[snarfed]
sdavidprince your site can only have one webmention endpoint (at least per page). Bridgy's isn't for backfeed, it's for converting incoming webmentions to comments on hosted blog sites like Blogger. if you're using http://webmention.io, you don't need it
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sdavidprince
What about syndicate copies shared like from social platforms
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[snarfed]
...what about them?
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sdavidprince
Would webmention.io also get them
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[snarfed]
responses on those syndicated copies, via Bridgy, ie backfeed, yes
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[snarfed]
but your site's webmention endpoint is different, you don't need (or want) to point it to Bridgy for that
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sdavidprince
Meaning I can still use bridgy service without the endpoints?
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[snarfed]
yes. if you want to store your webmentions in http://webmention.io, use its endpoint, not Bridgy's
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sdavidprince
Ah okay thanks. I've made the adjustments. Hoping for a positive change
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[snarfed]
Zic: you're right, IndieWeb and ActivityPub do overlap, as do other decentralized social networking protocols: OStatus (ActivityPub's predecessor), ATProto, Nostr, Farcaster, etc
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Zic
@snarfed If I like the idea of ​​IndieWeb (same as ActivityPub) plus it offers more possibilities in decentralized networks can I freely disable the ActivityPub plugin?
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[snarfed]
um, yes? you can do whatever you want on your own web site 😁
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[snarfed]
IndieWeb (ie microformats + webmentions) is different from ActivityPub. if you want to interact with people on the fediverse from your web site, you still need that plugin
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[Joe_Crawford]
A few weeks ago we were talking about LaTeX formatting and MathML in FrESH and the UK IWCs. I just came across a novel usage of fractions in a recent science fiction book. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassytown
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[Joe_Crawford]
Well, not recent. 2011. Oops.
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[qubyte]
A while back I switched my static site generator over from rendering LaTeX to SVG to rendering it in MathML. It’s not _quite_ as nice visually, but I still like it.
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Zic
@snarfed Thanks for the info. I thought IndieWeb uses the ActivityPub protocol in their stack. They do indeed use microformats
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Zic
IndieBlocks has its own Webmention? How to understand the following sentence from the plugin description in WordPress:
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Zic
"IndieBlocks comes with its own Webmention implementation, but a separate plugin can be used, too."
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[qubyte]
[Joe_Crawford] I use temml, which I found to have slightly better results than KaTeX. https://www.npmjs.com/package/temml
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[qubyte]
I’m not wedded to it though. If a better solution emerges, or out-of-the-box behaviour of MathML improves sufficiently (I don’t mind authoring it manually) then I’ll swap.
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[Joe_Crawford]
I found authoring MathML not particularly intuitive (the elements were clear enough, but the conditions under which some elements become invisible were not so clear). I think it's a real interesting space if on the esoteric side (given I don't typically work with mathematics deeply).
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[qubyte]
It comes _sort_ of naturally to me, but I was writing LaTeX for years so I still think in those terms. I think the urge to write it directly is more of an NIH thing.
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