#dev 2024-07-30

2024-07-30 UTC
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catgirlin.space hm feel kinda like, stuck in a way rn? i've been working on my website a lot recently and like, i just don't know what to do next. i think next i would like to figure out a feed reader thing (probably not building my own) but im kinda just lost on how, and id like to be able to like posts and reply to them and stuff....
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[KevinMarks] Have you looked at the aperture and monocle combination?
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capjamesg[d] ^^
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capjamesg[d] What is Aperture?
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Loqi Aperture is an open source Microsub server developed by Aaron Parecki https://indieweb.org/Aperture
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capjamesg[d] What is Monocle?
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Loqi 🧐 Monocle is an open source IndieWeb-enabled reader developed by Aaron Parecki https://indieweb.org/Monocle
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capjamesg[d] I used both of those tools in combination for a year and found them really useful.
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nsmsn Is there a simple way to detect if a website has webmention enabled? I'd like to send a few friends a webmention today...
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aaronpk Check for the webmention endpoint in the HTML?
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sebbu try indieauth or indiewebify or web.brid.gy on that website
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sebbu (you don't need to succeed to log in, just that it detects methods)
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sebbu btw, can i put my hcard on another page and link it from the homepage ? if yes, how ?
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[KevinMarks] @nsmsn You can use https://mention.tech/ to send one and see if it shows up with a green tick a bit later
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Zegnat sebbu: there is not realy any documented best practice right now for having your identity be one page but wanting people to parse the h-card from another place. Some old discussion about that was captured on https://indieweb.org/h-card#Issues but does not seem to have any conclusions
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sebbu i already did the "invisible metadata" stuff (or at least part of it)
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sebbu good idea to check if the relme on the same domain are also parsed for hcard
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[snarfed] interesting Bridgy Publish request, they want to POSSE from an XML post instead of HTML, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/1766
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Loqi [preview] [dannypsnl] #1766 It seems I cannot publish a path to xml
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aaronpk wow, and it's got an XSLT too
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[snarfed] right
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[snarfed] anyone know the current status of XML support in mf2 parsers?
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aaronpk the php parser sees something https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdannypsnl.me%2Fwebmention-0001.xml
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[snarfed] that XML is some, um, very XML-y XML
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[snarfed] but yeah interesting that php-mf2 gets something
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aaronpk tho most of the content is not inside e-content which is a problem
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[snarfed] mf2py does too: https://python.microformats.io/?url=https://dannypsnl.me/webmention-0001.xml
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Loqi [preview] Discuss how can we implement a webmention receiver for forester.
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[snarfed] I do love experimenting with non-HTML webmentions
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[snarfed] even if Bridgy will generally follow and not lead
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gRegor I think there's an issue on php-mf2 about XML. Actually it probably originated on indiewebify.me github issues.
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gRegor https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/78
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Loqi [preview] [mro] #78 false negative testing https://try.gogs.io/issue-5008
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gRegor https://github.com/microformats/php-mf2/issues/209
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Loqi [preview] [Zegnat] #209 Try to parse any file with the HTML parser
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gRegor 2018, man time is flying
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Zegnat I might be remembering wrong, but I think the mf2 parsing spec only officially describes parsing HTML?
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[snarfed] implicitly yes. it starts with "To parse a document for microformats, follow the HTML parsing rules..." https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing
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[snarfed] (we should probably => #microformats)
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sdcaulley Does anyone have a good tutorial/resource for SSL certificates?
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sdcaulley [edit] Does anyone have a preferred CA for SSL certs?
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ptramo[d] sdcaulley[d] letsencrypt.org through certbot or caddy
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sdcaulley Thank you.
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gRegor what is Let's Encrypt
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gRegor what is letsencrypt
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Loqi Let’s Encrypt is a Certificate Authority intended to be free, automated, and open https://indieweb.org/letsencrypt
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gRegor what is SSL
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Loqi Transport Layer Security (TLS) and (previously, since prohibited, Secure Sockets Layer or SSL) is a cryptographic protocol used to encrypt all data across a TCP socket https://indieweb.org/ssl
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gRegor Might find some more info on that page too
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gRegor Some hosts like Dreamhost have made Lets Encrypt quite easy
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[snarfed] yeah these days, esp for DV certs (the most common), there's basically LE and everyone else
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sdcaulley <rhetorical question> Can someone explain to me why Cerbot is using Snap. 😡
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sdcaulley What are the best practices/placement for an `h-card`?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "best practices/placement for an `h-card`" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "best practices/placement for an `h-card` is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[snarfed] best practices/placement for an `h-card` is https://indieweb.org/representative_h-card
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Loqi ok
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[snarfed] (maybe)
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[snarfed] also https://indieweb.org/h-card#How , https://indieweb.org/authorship
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ptramo[d] sdcaulley[d]: You don't have to use snap fwiw. I don't.
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sdcaulley ptramo[d]: I didn't use it. Just amazed that they did, since it is a horrible systme.
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[KevinMarks] Gravatar got DID pilled, yet still didn't quite get it Section title: "How Gravatar paves the way for decentralized identity in profile management" […] blah blah […]
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[KevinMarks] Here's How
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[KevinMarks] Centralized Profile Hub
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[KevinMarks] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2024/07/dev-20240730-210148-screenshot_20240730-215303.png
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Zegnat The decentralised identity stuff was not really a brow-raiser to me. Gravatar has been working on that for a bit. The mention of smart contracts on Etherium made me do a double take though
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btrem Strange, the GitHub repo for 11ty/eleventy had a discussions tab as of yesterday. Today, all I get are not found errors. I could not find any notice about it. Any 11ty users here who can shed some light?
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btrem Discussions are back on 11ty/eleventy. Seems Zach accidentally clicked the wrong checkbox and temporarily removed them. Good to know I'm not alone in doing silly things. :)
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catgirlin.space is there a good way to debug indieauth stuff? trying to build an endpoint on my website (very jank rn) but it just, doesnt even get used by anything?
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btrem Any 11ty users here? I'm wondering about the sanity of using .yaml files instead of (or in addition to) .md files for posts.
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[snarfed] http://catgirlin.space try https://quill.p3k.io/ ? it probably has good error messages
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Loqi [preview] rosalina saige
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[snarfed] uh
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catgirlin.space ooo ty
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gRegor sdcaulley, as far as visual placement of the h-card, that's really up to you. We usually recommend starting adding the h-card markup to wherever you currently show your information. Your information can be as simple as your name and URL to start.
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