#dev 2024-10-07

2024-10-07 UTC
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[snarfed] ehmry (from #indieweb) XSLT is awesome in theory, and sometimes in practice, but more often it's pretty painful to actually use
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[0x3b0b] I think I've only ever used XSLT for two things. One of them I don't remember, and the other was for a subset of conversion of WDDX to JSON because I was dealing with a server on which I didn't have sufficient influence to get someone to install whatever it was PHP needed in order to deliver JSON pretty-printed.
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[Joe_Crawford] XSLT is never going to be "awesome" but if you are obliged to speak XML it's pretty great. MP3 dot com had what was essentially a static site generator that used XML files for storage in its early days.
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[Joe_Crawford] Structured storage for hundreds of thousands of songs, artists, albums, etc and used XSLT in Perl (I want to say Perl::mason) rather than having to buy licenses the only performant database anyone wouldn't sniff at - Oracle.
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[Joe_Crawford] And when forced to interact with XML based APIs it can be a nice way to tease out whatcha want.
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[Joe_Crawford] But in 2024 would I *choose* to do things in XSLT? No.
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sebbu well, xslt is great in the sense that it can be transparent, and you can offer multiple xslt for the same xml document, even using xslt-fo for non-xml/non-html outputs
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sebbu i remember than OVH website was in xml+xslt at some point
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sebbu i used xslt to do some stuff xpath don't allow me to do (like something i could code in a 30 lines python program using 4 or 5 xpath queries and some loops/branchs)
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[tantek] H2VX uses XSLT, which both "works" and is fairly hard to improve
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[tantek] alright, I'm thinking today I start drafting a bunch of updates to rel-author, in case folks have thoughts, outstanding issues etc. obviously this touches on many aspects like /authorship, and in particular I want to specify precise enough functionality to bridge HTML post permalinks (regardless of platform/software) and both HTML author pages and JSON AS2 profiles (that presumably have AP inboxes).
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[tantek] for reference, spec: https://microformats.org/wiki/rel-author
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Loqi [preview] Tantek Çelik
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[tantek] and examples, how to use: https://indieweb.org/rel-author
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