#dev 2024-10-23

2024-10-23 UTC
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GWG I learned all I know about Auth from aaronpk and the community at large.
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arekenaten Wait, THE Aaron Parecki? You taught me OAuth too ❤️
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arekenaten I did not make that connection
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IWDiscord <a​rekenaten>
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GWG The One and Only Aaron Parecki.
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GWG At least the only one I've ever seen
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aaronpk haha that's me!
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aaronpk Oh the whole company is shutting down https://www.cleardb.com/
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[tantek] no wikipedia article on ClearDB either
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aaronpk oh hey their office is just around the corner from me, i should go yell at them tomorrow
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[0x3b0b] That reminds me, I should make time to yell at a cloud. I'm starting to feel old enough for it.
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[0x3b0b] I think I might vaguely remember gulp being a thing that inspired in me the sentiment of "and I'm supposed to use this instead of just npm by itself why, exactly?" but then I never actually got started trying what I'd been going to do with one of them at all, so I didn't get to make any practical comparison of the experience.
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[tantek] aaronpk, if you do, please re-enact the simpson's "old man yells at ..." meme if they have a sign on their office
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aaronpk oh darn i think it's a different company, navisite vs "navi site"
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aaronpk oh i see, the parent company of ClearDB was just acquired at the beginning of this year, now they're shutting down that product
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aaronpk darn, i was looking forward to taking of photo of me yelling at the cloud
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[qubyte] I wonder if they’ll pop out the drive your shard is on for you. Maybe you can take the database home!
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[mattl] i've only taken my server drives home a couple times
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catgirlin.space i just have my server drives at home all the time
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catgirlin.space well my parents' home now :( i don't have a home lab here... yet...
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[tantek] aaronpk, the update of websub.rocks reminded me, do you think it is worth doing a errata incorporation / maintenance update of the WebSub spec? I noticed there's quite a few open issues we could Process and incorporate into a revision. https://github.com/w3c/websub/issues
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[tantek] asking to understand better how much I should push for inclusion in the Social Web WG charter, as an independent work item (probably won't require much if any group discussion time for bug fixes)
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aaronpk hmm, i haven't paid much attention to that recently
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aaronpk i feel like what's really missing is some actual dialogue between the editors and anyone who is actively publishing and consuming websub. i suspect it's mostly in the podcast space now, and it would be nice to hear from anyone involved in that software
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[tantek] or frankly any of the folks who implemented hubs since the spec shipped
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aaronpk yeah, i just don't know of any other communities actively using it
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aaronpk i feel like even in the indieweb sphere there has been declining use
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[tantek] that's the vibe I get too
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[tantek] one "real world" use-case that I can think of that I haven't seen yet is Microsub servers using Websub (as a subscriber) to get realtime updates from people publishing on their blogs
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[tantek] and then presumably the Microsub server could push those updates in real time to Microsub clients
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[tantek] but I don't know if anyone has implemented that workflow
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[tantek] I believe that would be necessary to get Mastodon-client like experience with reading
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aaronpk aperture does use websub for feed fetching
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aaronpk but monocle doesn't do any polling or realtime to the microsub server for feeds, only to show notification dots for channels
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aaronpk that was partly because I don't actually want feeds to infinitely scroll out from under me, and partly because it was extra work
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[tantek] ah! Aperture consuming Websub is a good enough use-case for publishers to publish Websub
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[tantek] how do Microsub clients in general receive realtime updates from a Microsub server? and how does that compare to how Mastodon servers push updates to Mastodon clients? (presumably Mastodon clients aren't constantly polling Mastodon servers)
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aaronpk looks like mastodon uses SSE https://docs.joinmastodon.org/methods/streaming/
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[tantek] is SSE something that would make sense to add to Microsub?
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aaronpk Probably at this point
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aaronpk It's not exactly new, I'm actually not sure why it has seemingly had such a slow uptake
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GWG Microsub in general has had a slow uptake disappointingly
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aaronpk maybe the JS framework frenzy of 2010-2020 stunted its adoption. Everyone was preoccupied with websockets and whatever. SSE never seemed to get as much of the limelight
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catgirlin.space my girlfriend wanted to use websockets on our project instead of server sent events. had to convince her that server sent events were better for our use case 😭
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aaronpk what is SSE?
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Loqi server-sent events is a DOM API for receiving push notifications from a server via HTTP https://indieweb.org/SSE
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[schmarty] YouTube supports websub for notifications of new videos on their channel RSS feeds https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/guides/push_notifications
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[snarfed] whoa
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[mattl] [tantek] nice example of js;dr -- https://webforeveryone.us/blog/what-is-accessibility
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[mattl] seems like a nice site but 100% requires JS
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[qubyte] 🤦‍♂️
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[tantek] Oh no
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[tantek] And wow good find [schmarty]++
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Loqi [schmarty] has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (24 in all channels)
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[tantek] WebSub << Silo implementation: YouTube: https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/guides/push_notifications
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Loqi ok, I added "Silo implementation: YouTube: https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/guides/push_notifications" to the "See Also" section of /WebSub https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=97922&oldid=94423
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