#dev 2024-10-28

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[snarfed] http://catgirlin.space: yes and no: https://fed.brid.gy/docs#web-hashtags
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Loqi [preview] rosalina saige
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catgirlin.space ohh, so does it just follow the same behavior as bridgy fed then basically?
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[snarfed] oh wait sorry, bridgy publish, not fed. let's see
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[snarfed] yeah probably the same. not documented as well as BF, sorry
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catgirlin.space mmm okii, i should probably figure out how to get tags inside the e-content then in a way i like,,,
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voxpelli making chaos with @[snarfed] https://mastodon.social/@voxpelli/113385956894879213
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Loqi [preview] [Pelle Wessman] @snarfed.org An old post about #IndieWeb #POSSE to #IRC: https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2015/07/30/syndicating-your-indieweb-content-to-irc/
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[mattl] Anyone heard of HDML? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handheld_Device_Markup_Language
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Loqi [preview] HDML
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[mattl] "Unlike WML, HDML has no support for scripts." was the one line that interested me.
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[tantek] it's been a long time since I've seen that acronym
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[tantek] ah yes, the glorious era when "ML" meant markup language (instead of machine learning) and everyone wanted to make up their own ML just like everyone wants to make up their own bespoke JSON these days
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aaronpk haha "Handheld devices are characterized primarily by a limited display size. A typical display is capable of displaying 4-10 lines of text 12-20 characters wide"
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aaronpk writes while holding his handheld device showing 50 lines of text 80 characters wide
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[mattl] I can only imagine conversation went like this too.
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[mattl] "We're working on HDML!"
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[mattl] "HTML?"
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[mattl] "No, HDML"
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[tantek] depends on your text size
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voxpelli @[mattl]: check out another web-alternative-now-confused-with-ai-product thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)
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[Joe_Crawford] I remember reading about HDML but the things I coded (all long dead, not sure I even have anything archival) for “mobile” were always WML. Back when being modern and mobile meant adding a new subdomain `http://m.example.org` and duplicating all the content. Before BlackBerry.
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voxpelli what is Gemini protocol?
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Loqi The Gemini protocol is an alternative to HTTP with similar use-cases, with intentional consideration of privacy and security, that could be an alternative way to serve an IndieWeb site https://indieweb.org/Gemini_protocol
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voxpelli what is HDML?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "HDML" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "HDML is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[mattl] I think I'd care about Gemini if I could understand the usecase and Firefox supported it
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voxpelli @[mattl]: it doesn’t support scripts, which was what you said made HDML catch your eye :)
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[mattl] Does it support images or is very much just modernized Gopher?
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gRegor what is gemini
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Loqi Gemini may refer to Google Gemini, an LLM tool like ChatGPT, or for developers, the Gemini protocol, an alternative to HTTP https://indieweb.org/Gemini
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gRegor what is gemini protocol
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Loqi The Gemini protocol is an alternative to HTTP with similar use-cases, with intentional consideration of privacy and security, that could be an alternative way to serve an IndieWeb site https://indieweb.org/Gemini_protocol
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voxpelli @[mattl]: I don’t know, it does feel too primitive for me
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[mattl] "Gemini capsules consists of files made up using the Gemtext markup language, but the protocol serve any file format."
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voxpelli no inline images though: https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/geminiprotocol.net/docs/faq-section-4.gmi#443-why-doesnt-textgemini-support-inline-images
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[mattl] I find their argument for a lack of styling hard to understand... they want to support accessibility concerns, but without a way to style things how does a user choose their own styling?
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voxpelli yeah, their core intent is interesting but their execution of it go too far for me
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[Joe_Crawford] Gemini is a `gopher:` reboot, no?
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[Joe_Crawford] Who doesn’t love a historical reenactment?
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[mattl] University of Minnesota?
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superkuh gemini is right about trust on first use TLS.
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superkuh Such a good system.
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[Joe_Crawford] [mattl] perfect deadpan as always
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[Joe_Crawford] [mattl]++
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Loqi [mattl] has 10 karma in this channel over the last year (29 in all channels)
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[Joe_Crawford] Silent Movies:Movies::Gopher:WWW
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford] if it's a gopher reboot they should have called it the Groundhog protocol 😉
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[snarfed] voxpelli love it!
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voxpelli [snarfed]: that’s good :)
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gRegor Re: IRC, several options onhttps://indieweb.org/IRC#Clients including Quassel. List doesn't get gardened very often, but I updated some of the cross platform ones today
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voxpelli Any one interacting with IRC through POSSE?
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[mattl] just installed http://wordpress.org locally to install a plugin to convert my data from http://wordpress.com to ghost 🫠
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[mattl] why doesn't WordPress have an export to Ghost feature or why doesn't Ghost have an import from WordPress feature?
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[mattl] WordPress imports/exports to a few other things
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[KevinMarks] https://asml.cyber.harvard.edu/fediverseobservatory/
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gRegor [mattl], https://ghost.org/docs/migration/wordpress/ (no experience with it, just searching)
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[mattl] yeah, you need to install a plugin. you can't install plugins on http://wordpress.com without paying and even then not obvious if you can install *any* plugin.
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gRegor ohh, gotcha
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[mattl] hopefully this should get me off http://wordpress.com for the http://libre.fm blog
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gRegor yeah, does seem weird they don't support the core WP export format
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aaronpk Oh that's a funny problem
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[mattl] it gets better... to suggest this feature in ghost, i had to make a Discourse account. Now my Discourse account is active and I'm logged in, but "You need to be an active forum user before you can submit feature requests"
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[mattl] So... https://github.com/TryGhost/Ghost/issues/21441
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Loqi [preview] [mattl] #21441 You need to be an active forum user before you can submit feature requests
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aaronpk 🤣
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gRegor haha
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[mattl] I suspect they'll close my issue and I'll be stuck in limbo
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[mattl] added layer of irony here: I used http://localwp.com by WPEngine to install WP locally, install the plugin and do the export
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[tantek] this stuff should not be that hard
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[tantek] very odd that so many projects make things so hard for new folks
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tanoolh hello
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tanoolh What is the irc clients that you guys recommend for android? I just found out you can send files through IRC and on linux some clients even support voice and video call. £
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tanoolh I was recommended using a Quassi Core but I have no idea how to set that up on android
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_pi_r2_0[d] problem of IRC is that you lose history when disconnected
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_pi_r2_0[d] so I would recommend quasseldroid on the phone and quassel-core running on a server
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_pi_r2_0[d] not the easiest to setup. we also support web, slack, and discord chats though
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tanoolh I have the server on discord too. I kind of want to learn specially for my own projects because a lot of stuff asks fo
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_pi_r2_0[d] (sorry to clarify, you don't lose the history of when you were connected when disconnected. you just don't see messages sent when you're not connected)
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tanoolh you for docker and the like but I'm not in that level of understanding yet
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tanoolh yes Quassel core is what I meant jaja
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_pi_r2_0[d] so quassel core would run on your server right
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_pi_r2_0[d] quasseldroid + quassel-core is a setup I have. feel free to ask me anything. maybe #indieweb-random as it's not quite related to the web? 🙂
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[tantek] someone shared an example of a "large" (as in handles lots of requests) website recently that was built on a jQuery + maybe http://ASP.net stack, was that you [morganm]?