#dev 2024-11-19

2024-11-19 UTC
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[tantek] humansitemap++
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Loqi humansitemap has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] [mattl] good chance if you marked up your human sitemap (HTML) with the XOXO format, then it would be possible to auto-convert it to the XML sitemap format as needed so you didn't have to hand edit / maintain yet another XML sidefile
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[tantek] ah I see you went there in #microformats that's fair
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[mattl] the problem is one of my sitemaps has 6.9 million rows.
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[tantek] huh, that sounds not useful for a sitemap consumer tbh
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[mattl] yeah, maybe not.
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sknebel [snarfed] (or anyone else) have you seen anything actually practical or at least detailed about running AT relays that dont capture the entire world
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aaronpk good question
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aaronpk otherwise that sounds a lot like a blockchain
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[snarfed] I don't entirely follow why relays need to store entire repos
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[snarfed] I get that they need to verify sigs
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[snarfed] but afaik the main reason for them to store whole repos would be to keep working copies of each repo's MST, and I don't know why
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[snarfed] some background: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3kwzl7tye6u2y
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[snarfed] aaronpk one key difference from blockchains is that PDSes don't need to store the whole network's data, and PDSes are how people self-host
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sknebel my interpretation was that the frontends/apps/... ultimately query a relay. so the relay needs all the data to be able to show all the posts, but the open question for me is: If I'm not running a relay for the entire userbase, can I have one that only knows the things I care about
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sknebel both on a "is this possible by design" (my impression is "yes, but not the case optimizied for") and a "is it practically possible with software that exists/is there a actively worked on path towards that"
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[snarfed] oh, no, clients and apps talk to appviews, which do need the full network's data
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sknebel need-need?
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[snarfed] um...yes
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[snarfed] ?
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[snarfed] and yes, they fully expect niche relays and appviews that don't need the whole network
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sknebel so wait, do need or not need? (ofc with the limitation that stuff they dont know they cant show to the user)
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sknebel and for me its unclear where the "fully expect" part is between "you could theoretically build such a thing" and "here's a concrete example what that looks like"
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sknebel because what I've seen regarding writeups for anything thats not a PDS seems always be around "here is what you need to process everything"
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[snarfed] do need
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[snarfed] sure. niche relays and appviews are expected and designed for, but at least the Bluesky team themselves haven't actually built one yet
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[snarfed] just priorities. there's a lot to ATProto, and they're scaling to a ton of growth right now
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[snarfed] they expect individual self-hosters to run their own PDSes, like personal web sites, but they don't consider niche relays and appviews in the same league
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[snarfed] not for people to need to run just to "own their data"
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gRegor This is a neat idea https://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2021/01/01/highlighting-accessible-twitter-content/
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gRegor Could do something similar on a personal site to help you catch images missing alt text
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gRegor "De-emphasize the images that have the default alt text by way of their enclosing divs, and remove that effect on hover so I can see the image as intended if I so choose."
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[mattl] Yeah, I do something similar. Let me find it.
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[mattl] Web Developer Toolbar. https://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/
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gRegor Ooh, nice!
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[mattl] I use this to remove alt text from pages, most pages I work on have alt text misused all over the place and we have very few images that aren't decorative
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capjamesg[d] aaronpk is there a good database of city -> timezone name?
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capjamesg[d] I'm struggling to find one that I can use offline.
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[KevinMarks] someone like the Internet Archive or the Library of Congress could perhaps run another full AppView
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[KevinMarks] Interesting new open source dataset https://location.foursquare.com/resources/blog/products/foursquare-open-source-places-a-new-foundational-dataset-for-the-geospatial-community/
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[manton] [KevinMarks] Would an app view mirror like that keep posts even after they’re deleted? This is a very interesting idea to me.
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[KevinMarks] Hmm, not sure how they define the merkle tree updates with deletes
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[manton] Me neither. There’s value there even if it was just a mirror with a different, archive-focused browsing interface, though.
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gRegor [snarfed], A BF post of mine has been in the queue for about 3 hours. Logs look ok? https://fed.brid.gy/log?path=%2Fqueue%2Fwebmention%2C%2Finbox&start_time=1732046656&key=https%3A%2F%2Fgregorlove.com%2F2024%2F11%2Flistened-to-stanford-has-fallen%2F%23bridgy-fed-create
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[snarfed] sorry gRegor! we got badly backed up last night, still digging out
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gRegor no worries
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[snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/1520
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gRegor Time for that Bridgy Pro, $5/mo for a blue checkmark? :D
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Loqi [preview] [wbz0100] #1520 posts are very delayed
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gRegor 3M! Wow
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gRegor No complaints, appreciate all the work you do [snarfed]++ Bridgy++
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Loqi Bridgy has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (6 in all channels)
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[snarfed] lol. I'd make dozens, maybe hundreds of dollars 😆
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[snarfed] thanks gRegor!