#dev 2024-12-13

2024-12-13 UTC
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carrvo I'd be fine looking tomorrow.
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gRegor I think here is fine. I can take a look at it
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btrem Since there's (at least, at the time of me writing this) two people willing, and since no one has come along to rap my knuckles for posting where I shouldn't, I'll assume it's ok. I'm going to set up a simple apache auth, just to prevent search engines from linking to a draft copy, and post the url here.
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[mattl] I would assume this chat is crawled by search engines fwiw.
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btrem https://btrem.com/temp/drafts/
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btrem password: indieweb2024
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btrem username: indieweb
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btrem The password is, as I said earlier, just to prevent web spiders from crawling it.
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btrem If I ever get around to moving my site to netlify, I'll improve how I publish article drafts. ;-)
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[tantek]2 Nice
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doesnm btrem: why not disallow drafts directory via robots.txt?
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superkuh robots.txt is just a suggestion.
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carrvo I already know that a few bots follow any link here. They showed up in my logs conspicuously after posting a link.
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btrem Bots might try to follow links here, but a password protected directory will for practical purposes block them.
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aaronpk you will definitely get a visit from at least Loqi, slackbot and discordbot when they try to unfurl the link
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doesnm Loqi crawl links? For which reason?
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aaronpk to show the link preview in the chat
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aaronpk not so much "crawl" as a single fetch
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[tantek]2 and then also Internet Archive's Wayback machine fetcher/crawler presumably
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aaronpk haha right
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aaronpk and if anyone is using a cloud IRC client, it also likely fetches the link
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immibis why should that feature be limited to cloud IRC clients? i suppose because they're trying to maximize their own adoption
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aaronpk well my IRC client definitely doesn't, but that's because it's a command line client. it's been a long time since i've used a GUI IRC client but last time I did, they did not do link previews
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[mattl] http://irccloud.com which I use for some stuff does it
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[Joe_Crawford] today's exercise in removing jQuery and using checkboxes and has was liner notes for a mix-CD I made in 2010. https://smorgasborg.artlung.com/mefiswap/ (and as a bonus, I made it work without JavaScript for the Anti-JS zealots)
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carrvo btrem your draft looks fine. Though admittedly I know little about microformats yet. I did find it easy to follow between your template, the resulting HTML, and the parse of it.
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doesnm im use senpai+soju from psf.lt. This pubnix also host my "site"
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gRegor btrem, good post! It's kind of like a YAML serialization of the mf2 instead of JSON, which makes sense for your templating setup.
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gRegor Might already be on your radar, but you could add alt text to your images using the nesting, similar to the `location.adr` nesting
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arekenaten Command line irc clients? I guess that makes sense, but I hadn't considered it. What's the UX like?
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aaronpk not good 😂
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gRegor lol
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arekenaten Haha I figured maybe not but it works it works I guess
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gRegor what is irc
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Loqi 💬 Internet Relay Chat (abbreviated IRC), in particular the #indieweb channels on the libera.chat network, is the primary community discussion forum for IndieWebCamp and anything about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/IRC
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gRegor I should probably switch to something, since Hexchat is no longer maintained
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Loqi it is probable
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gRegor Alright, that was funny to get d/c right after that message XD
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btrem @ <carrvo> thanks for the feedback. It's actually really a good sign if you could follow it without knowing much about microformats.
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btrem @ gRegor thanks for the feedback. That's a good way to put it, a yaml serialization of mf2 instead of json. I don't like json because I find it hard to read. It's particularly hard to spot missing or present-but-illegal commas.
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carrvo Here is a question: the IndieAuth specification mentions that "the [introspection] endpoint MUST also require some form of authorization to access this endpoint", but how can this be done without registration? The spec also mentions "Client registration at the authorization endpoint is not necessary"
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btrem The drawback to yaml is that they made it way more complicated then it needed to be, so parsers have to follow rules that nobody needs. I ran into some issues that amde no sense until I read the yaml spec carefully.
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btrem gRegor re: alt attribute: the post was about microformats, not image accessibility, so I left the alt attribute empty in the examples. As it is, the post is *really* long. So long, that I am still considering breaking it up into two posts. Part of the reason it's so long is not so much the text but the multiple code examples. Any thoughts on the length? Too long as is?
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btrem Also, I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but 99% of the time, I intentionally leave the alt attribute empty, because putting a value in it would just duplicate what's already in the page, either in a `figcaption` or in the surrounding text.
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btrem I'd even go so far as to say that it's extremely rare to see anyone use the alt attribute correctly, mostly because there's so much bad information about it on the web. :(
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[schmarty] carrvo: the introspection endpoint is not for indieauth clients. in oauth terms, it's for "resource servers" - things like your micropub server that will receive a token from a client and need to verify that the token is valid, who it belongs to, what scopes it was granted, what client requested it, etc.
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[schmarty] it's expected that the indieauth server and resource servers know about each other, allowing some kind of authenticated access to the introspection endpoint.
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[schmarty] aaronpk has more details from the oauth perspective: https://www.oauth.com/oauth2-servers/the-resource-server/
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gRegor btrem, fair on the post length and if you're not using alt text regularly. I mentioned it because mf2 parsing does get alt text for photos
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gRegor what is alt text
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Loqi alt is a required attribute of the <img> element and should be provided in any use of images on indieweb pages from photo posts to featured and other images in articles https://indieweb.org/alt_text
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gRegor We have https://indieweb.org/alt#How_to_write_good_alt_text at least :)
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gRegor I think the post length is fine
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[tantek]2 Longer than "a picture", shorter than enough to make someone stop you as read it out loud on the phone and tell you "cool story bro"
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gRegor lol