#dev 2024-12-21

2024-12-21 UTC
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[Joe_Crawford] New toy: bookmarklet to expose CSS custom properties and play with them. https://lab.artlung.com/root-color-properties-editor/
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Kupietz [Joe_Crawford]++ Very nice!
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[snarfed] capjamesg ooh you're getting into devops and SRE. fun! I love that stuff
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[snarfed] the big answer is observability, monitoring, log collectors and aggregators and metrics, etc
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[snarfed] ...but if you're still on a single server, you can skip at least some of that
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[snarfed] what's your goal? are the log lines getting mixed up in your file, and you want to be able to see logs for a single request, or a single user, etc, at a time? or...
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capjamesg[d] I currently have to ssh into the server to get to my logs then grep / tail, etc.
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capjamesg[d] I'm using the logging library to print various pieces of debug information when downloading and parsing feeds.
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capjamesg[d] grep is technically fine but it also means that I need to work from my terminal and I would prefer a UI for this.
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capjamesg[d] Also: I haven't thought about grouping logs by user. Is there a best practice for that?
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[snarfed] yeah, you eventually want a more structured log aggregator
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[snarfed] remind me where you're hosting?
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[snarfed] if you want to dive in and learn a lot, the big established independent players in this space are eg Datadog, New Relic, Splunk, etc. and the big cloud providers all also have their own products
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[snarfed] if you want to go the more self hosted open source route, check out OpenTelemetry, Prometheus, etc
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[snarfed] (oh and Honeycomb)
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[snarfed] ...but those are all pretty big. I don't have a small lightweight alternative to suggest, but you'd search for structured logging, distributed traces, log aggregator/browser, etc
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[snarfed] (I use https://cloud.google.com/logging/docs/ for my projects)
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capjamesg[d] [snarfed] I'm hosting on Hetzner.
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capjamesg[d] My big reservation about cloud platforms is I am always worried I accidentally rack up a big bill.
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superkuh I like to look at my log files on my computers file system with a text editor and my flesh eyeballs.
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superkuh KISS.
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[snarfed] superkuh for projects where that works, I love it!
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[snarfed] ...but of course it doesn't scale. eg Bridgy Fed logs ~600-800KB/s (~400-600 entries/s) right now. not manageable with text editor and eyes alone 🤷
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superkuh Yes. I rarely get over 5k hits/day. Above that it might become a bit too time consuming.
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carrvo[d] [snarfed] would Grafana (https://grafana.com/) be one too? Would it be lightweight?
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carrvo[d] [edit] [snarfed] would Grafana (https://grafana.com/) be one too? Would it be lightweight?
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[snarfed] Grafana is great! but no, probably not lightweight, it's another big observability platform
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[snarfed] maybe check if Hetzner has anything built in or recommended?
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capjamesg[d] [snarfed]++ for all of the suggestions.
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capjamesg[d] It's kinda cool to be running an app that others use!
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capjamesg[d] The app polls feeds once per day for each user.
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[snarfed] capjamesg++
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capjamesg[d] This leads to an interesting situation wherein demand spikes in a select few timezones.
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capjamesg[d] The Americas and Europe comprise most users presently.
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[snarfed] common pattern for consumer apps!
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capjamesg[d] Yeah!
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capjamesg[d] I have just sped up polling by like minutes too!
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doesnm btw where tokens.indieauth.com/quill/monocles are hosting?
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aaronpk i host those on linode