#dev 2025-03-21
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btrem My brain hurts after reading https://moderncss.dev/providing-type-definitions-for-css-with-at-property/
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# trwnh immibis re: "json with an extra context tacked on", yes that is essentially AS2 assuming you don't use any extensions to the context. the problem is a) everyone uses extensions, b) semantic divergence even within the normative terms
# trwnh it's a problem if you expect people to share your understanding when you actually have different worldviews
# trwnh it's like the example with h-cite vs u-repost-of i brought up yesterday
# trwnh people need to agree on *protocol* and *semantics* not just data format. this is why concept modeling is important
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# ainstein Hello! Is the discord server down? Trying to join shows that there are no text channels in the server.
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# pfych Oh there's a bluesky ticket for this! https://github.com/bluesky-social/social-app/issues/1266
# pfych For context - I've got about 400+ photos on a gallery page on my website which completely lack alt text right now and It'd be great to have that done in some standard way. For now maybe a meta file might be the way to go, since the page is built programmatically ... https://pfy.ch/images.html
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capjamesg[d] I have been wanting to write this for a few weeks now: I have been wanting to write this for a few
# capjamesg[d] Ahhh.
# capjamesg[d] [edit] I meant https://jamesg.blog/2025/03/21/web-readers-and-rss-readers 😄
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jeremycherfas capjamesg[d]++ for a useful post that I will try and internalise. I usually say feed reader rather than RSS reader, but you are right, web reader is a more approachable description.
# capjamesg[d] I have separate reservations with feed readers 😄
# capjamesg[d] People, not feeds.
# capjamesg[d] One nice thing about Mastodon, etc. is that you press one button and you see what someone has written. But with web readers you have to find the feed URL, choose which one you want, confirm it's the one you want, then you'll start seeing the content.
# jeremycherfas Which is, I think, why web reader is actually a better term.
# jeremycherfas I mean, I agree with capjamesg[d] that it is a better term.
# jeremycherfas You're excused. :)
# [baudouin] just landed - would this be the rigth place to discuss A11
# [baudouin] A11Y coding and best practices ?
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# capjamesg[d] Yep! This is the channel for discussing web programming.
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# Kolev pfych, I am lazy and don't always add alt text.
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# Lars-Christian I like what you're saying there @capjamesg[d]
# Lars-Christian I also usually say "feed reader" but I think "web reader" is a much better term
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[Murray] a little relevant to some of the recent EXIF discussions: https://caffeinecreations.ca/blog/displaying-exif-data-in-craft-cms-templates/
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# [artlung]1 Has anyone seen blog comments as GitHub (or other source control) pull requests | branches? Like literally each comment would be a pull request - maybe a single file named with a combined key of `post-slug` + `YYYY-MM-DD-HH:MM::SS` file? If one provided an issue issue templates it might be weirdly straightforward. It is absolutely the wrong way to use Github but I'm sure that's just me being uptight and it seems utterly plausible.
# carrvo I mean, I find it strange that GIT is used for blog source (pre-HTML) in the first place.
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[aciccarello] There are some tools for comments from github issues, but not necessarily PRs
# [aciccarello] What is github?
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Loqi GitHub is a specialized content hosting silo for code, issues, comments, and static content that has some aspects of a commons, and through free domain mapping, a content hosting service as well https://indieweb.org/Github
# [aciccarello] https://utteranc.es/ was the one I was thinking of but there are more on that page
# [aciccarello] It would be an interesting way to review comments though
# [artlung]1 [aciccarello]++ for remembering a clever adjacent idea. I've not seen http://utteranc.es before. _"The street finds its own uses for things."_
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# [aciccarello] I see the appeal for developer blogs but I wouldn't want to limit comments on my site to GitHub users
# [artlung]1 I've been revisiting how my sites work and where their "sources of truth" are. Comments in a database for me, or in an external service. And it occurred to me if I migrated visitor comments to the filesystem and each was a file then with the right public architecture I could cut out the middleman.
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# [artlung]1 💯 yes, that's the ultimate downside. If 100% of my new users had GitHub accounts a case could be made. But, no.
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# [Ana_R] Hi friends - has anyone have recent examples of an "updated" note/aside on your posts? https://indieweb.org/updated
# [Ana_R] I have a microformat question which is dev too but I will post on the microformats channel.
# pfych Ana_R - I have them at the bottom of the posts. See: https://pfy.ch/music/scrobbler.html I think it looks less cluttered. I do need to look into the dt-updated tag though since I don’t use that!
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gRegor Here's one of my examples with an updated date: https://gregorlove.com/2025/01/new-year-new-personal/
# Loqi An updated is a post that has been edited by the author https://indieweb.org/updated
# capjamesg[d] Have there been any discussions on permalink design for web resources pertaining to locations?
# capjamesg[d] Breakfast and Coffee didn't have a structured permalink design.
# capjamesg[d] It was /Cafe_Name.
# capjamesg[d] I wondered if there was a best practice for this sort of thing like /country/city/<location-name>
# Loqi Foursquare is a venue reviews, recommendations, and lists silo based on its previous location-based checkin support, a feature that was spunout to the separate Swarm application which still shares some data back & forth with Foursquare https://indieweb.org/Foursquare
# [aciccarello] Locations are hard because they are squishy. City boundaries can change. Restaurants move. Chains are spread across multiple locations.
# capjamesg[d] I think /uk/ would return a list of all cities. /uk/edinburgh would return Edinburgh coffee shops. /uk/edinburgh/<location> would return a specific coffee shop.
# [aciccarello] I agree with gRegor, it's easier to have category pages for that structure
# capjamesg[d] This is an interesting design problem.
# capjamesg[d] I used categories for this in the last iteration.
# capjamesg[d] But the URL UX per se was poor.
# capjamesg[d] gRegor I am giving it some thought.
# capjamesg[d] I'm not sure if I want to start this yet, but I do want to think about it.
# gRegor You can embed some pretty neat category trees with MW, we don't use it a lot but here's one example: https://indieweb.org/pop-up#Past
# capjamesg[d] Is #categorytree native?
# capjamesg[d] That's cool!
# capjamesg[d] I love MW but running a wiki involves a lot of admintax.
# gRegor Some of the year categories use it too https://indieweb.org/Category:2024
# Loqi DokuWiki is an open-source wiki-project that uses file-storage https://indieweb.org/DokuWiki
# capjamesg[d] The alternative idea in my head is a news aggregator for all things breakfast and coffee 😄
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# btrem capjamesg[d]: I don't know what "Breakfast and Coffee" is. So with that caveat, I'd probably use /country/city only for feeds, that is, for a list of coffee shops in a city or country or whatever. But I'd use a more durable url scheme for any individual post. For me, that'd be /yyyy/mm-foo, e.g., 2025-03-java-shop.
# capjamesg[d] What is breakfast and coffee?
# Loqi Breakfast and Coffee was a wiki to which one can syndicate reviews of and information about breakfast and coffee stops published on their own website https://indieweb.org/Breakfast_and_Coffee
# capjamesg[d] It is no longer active, but that was the idea ^
# Loqi Dopplr was a silo (at dopplr.com) for sharing future travel plans https://indieweb.org/Dopplr
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[tantek] yes! here you go capjamesg[d]: https://indieweb.org/Dopplr#Site_Structure
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