#dev 2025-05-20

2025-05-20 UTC
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[tantek] [artlung] have you already covered CSS-only clocks in FrESH? (you know, just to put on one's website, as decoration, and perhaps a flex when the clock runs even without JS. This is my absolute favorite so far and the concept and execution is brilliant. https://www.quaxio.com/pure_css_digital_clock.html
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[tantek] The limitations (and DST hole) could be fixed via always showing UTC, or Swatch Beats, instead, and having the server send down the most recent "beat" when the page is loaded.
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[artlung] Has not been covered! But could be fun yes :)
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[tantek] also it doesn't respect text zoom. looking at the source makes me think there has to be a way to make it smaller
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carrvo tantek++ I am all for using a bit of psychology in coding practices!
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carrvo Unfortunately psychology continues to be misunderstood. The article references another article that references a study; whose original group later identified a cultural bias in the original study: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/f-shaped-pattern-reading-web-content/
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carrvo [edit] Unfortunately psychology continues to be misunderstood. The article references another article that references a study; whose original group later identified a cultural bias in the original study: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/f-shaped-pattern-reading-web-content/
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carrvo To be more specific, the origin acknowledged the bias up front, but the derivative articles took the bias as fact, rather than the relative it was.
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carrvo Interesting reads all the same.
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[tantek] fascinating. good to know! I suppose I'm convinced enough by the readability articles on length of prose lines to apply it to lines of fixed-width code as well. for me it's the ease of eye-scanning to the next/previous line more accurately for lines <70 chars
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[tantek] for that CSS-only clock, one of the more obvious optimizations (I think) is to only animate border-color (which accepts four values for the four sides) and specify border-style and border-width on each element independently of the animation, since they don't change during animation.
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carrvo Personally I think I have a better reason for shorter lines that doesn't need a study: when I program I often want multiple files open side-by-side. Depending on horizontal/vertical preference (or combo) it would call for corresponding limits for a block of code.
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[tantek] yes, side-by-side windows of coding files is also an excellent reason / use-case
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carrvo Indeed.
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[artlung] that clock has some intriguing code. I love the use of clip-path to get that bevel LCD attitude. and the units are based on the viewport, no way to zoom it.
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[artlung] Also I think it could be set to the correct time by setting a negative value to animation-delay.
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[artlung] I might see if I can rework my https://lab.artlung.com/clock-concept/ to be pure CSS
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[tantek] nice
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carrvo It is also nice to note that tabs in programming languages are reminiscent of secretarial science, though I am sure their techniques are lost on most.
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[jeremycherfas] Secretarial science?
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[jeremycherfas] I can see one can get a qualification in the subject, but I wonder what the science itself entails?
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[snarfed] TIL @media (scripting: none/enabled)
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[artlung] I've not used that one yet! Lots more `supports` @media queries out there now
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perryflynn uuuh awesome!
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capjamesg Wait what?
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capjamesg Wow!
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capjamesg That's cool!
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perryflynn $people say for years now that css is at some point turing complete and/or will replace java script. :-D https://stackoverflow.com/a/5239256
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capjamesg [artlung] Inspired by FrESH:
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capjamesg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577430886350869/1374486663279022091/Screenshot_2025-05-20_at_21.39.02.png?ex=682e39f5&is=682ce875&hm=08ee1eec178a9ff9cfa1d5d8c9b8b2dff5679fbd3e3c1d8c0316d920b3c18fd0&
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[artlung] Looking good!
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capjamesg Submitted as an add-on to Firefox!
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[tantek] capjamesg++ amazing! read/write/bookmark!
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